baptism and birth wrong???

[susanwillis59]

got an ellendeane webb b. hartlepool 28 jan 1901. on the birth certif it says at the top, birth in the sub district 1907??. the address is given as 24 wood street, mother is given as jane webb formerly matthews. and a cross for her mark. found her baptism record for march of the same year in the parish records info the same.father is geroge webb. i am wondering as i have not been able to find the births of her parents especially her mother if there has been a mistake in the mothers surname and maybe over years it has turned into matthews,never found a marriage either. anyone ever come across this before . i know there are often mistakes with the names via the census,s but what about certificates sue.

[pejay]

Yes although we hope certs are foolproof - sometimes they are not. One of my ancestors a Mary Kinsella married and her name is written as Kenseller, and I also have a Mellor who on his marriage cert is Miller. I think the registrar simply wrote what he heard and perhaps if people had particular accents/dialects sometime it would be put down as heard, also perhaps he could not spell very well.. I did notice on the pilot search for family search a Jane Matthews parents Matthew & Jane who was ch in 1867 in Wigan Lancashire. Do you think this could be her Mother or would she be too old?

[davelambert271]

Hi Sue
If my post on your other thread is correct and Jane aged 6 on 1861 census, was born in Knutton, this is in Wolstanton reg district.

BMD
Name: Jane Matthews
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Wolstanton
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 73

dave

[davelambert271]

Hi Sue

If Jane lived in Wolstanton district and Rose Elizabeth was born in Staffs (1881 census) perhaps she married there as well

Just to mix things up a bit further, I was obviously looking for a marriage to George Webb. What I find very interesting is that in O/D 1873 a year before Rose was born there is a marriage in Wolstanton ref 6b 195 between Jane Matthews and James Wright. Now bearing in mind that in 1901 we have the children living with two sets of grown ups, one of which was George Wright!!

I think a search for George/James Wright pre 1881 might prove interesting

dave

[juliejtp]

A possibility for Jane in 1871

Civil parish Keele
RD Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub Rd Newcastle under Lyme
Ecclesiatical parish Silverdale

Jane Matthews age 18 occ servant born Silverdale Staffs


Class RG10
Piece 2834
Folio 78
Page 5

[davelambert271]

Hi Julie
Looks as if we may have found Jane. Have you followed Sue's post enough to give an opinion on James Wright (see this thread 10.00) You may remember the post where the children are split between two sets of adults, in the same house, one of the males was a George Wright instead of the father George Webb. Could all these three be the same person?

dave

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

To be honest I'm not sure if all 3 are the same person. George Wright being George Webb I would say for sure, as for James Wright could be a red herring. I would persoally get the marriage certificate to know either way.

[juliejtp]

George lists his pob as Worcestershire in previous census but the 1901 one has Northumberland.

[davelambert271]

Hi
He certainly didn't want to be found. Why did he give his name as Wright in that one census? This one's really bugging me. It would have been a bit easier if he'd given a place where he was born.

dave

[susanwillis59]

Hi,guys, sorry never got back to you all but havent been very well, but enough of that.
Well firstly im sure we have found jane but there are still a couple of puzzles,im not getting.
i found the jane entry on the 1871 listed as servant at heath end farm , so then i found the same entry as julie on the 1861 census and decided to post it to see if anyone else came up with the same.im sure by looking at all the info now, thats the reason i have not found her has been down to the registration districts, which i looked up in 1861 if you where born in Knutton, the civil parish was Woolstanton ecclesiastical parish Silverdale.
then there is her marriage.
if indeed it is my jane then the marriage i found is the same one you guys have found as follows
jane matthews b.1853
marriage 13 oct 1873 silverdale staffordshire
spouse james wright
father joseph matthews
this all ties in with my jane from the info we have found ,so what about george webb, where does he fit in . also rose elizabeth was born in according to the various census returns about sept 1873 in hedge ford? litchfeild and staffordshire, the hedgeford i took as hednesford.But she is listed as surname webb.
i also found a jane matthews b 1852 silverdale on the 1881 census married to a daniel webb but she is still there in 1891 and 1901 but she is now mary jane.
i think my next course of action is to look for jane and james wrights children see if there is any connection.and where they were living on the later census,s i wondered if james wright died and jane remarried or not as may have been the case. Hence the kids being called webb, or its the wrong jane .
I hope not. suex