The Other SANDS family

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I have two SANDS families connected by marriage to FURNERs. One was from Torryburn in Fife and the other from Llandough-juxta-Cowbridge in Glamorgan.

Here/lieth the body of JOHN SANDS,/ He died the 8th of Sep 1784./ aged 94./ and/ ELIZABETH wife of the above./ She died the 29th of June 1795/ aged 81./ and likewise WILLIAM son of /WILLIAM and ANN SANDS of this/ parish and grand-son of the/ said JOHN and ELIZABETH SANDS/ who died the 28th Dec 1809/ aged 36./ Also the last said/ WILLIAM SANDS who died/ the 12th of Sept 1827/ aged 76./ and also CATHERINE wife/ of the last name WILLIAM/ SANDS who died Jan 3rd/ 1844, aged 72 years.

Ok, Catherine died in 1844. In what year did her spouse die?

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Assisted immigrants arriving in Sydney & Newcastle, 1844-59
SANDS John 52 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465
SANDS Ellen 41 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465
SANDS William 16 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465
SANDS John Samuel 13 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465
SANDS Jane 10 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465

Where is son Llewellyn born in 1844? I can't see him on the image of the passenger list either.

Births Sep 1844
Sands Llewellyn Bridgend &c 26 327

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

This is the only one I could find.?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Llewellyn Sands
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Age: 15
Arrival Date: 30 Nov 1859
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Bristol
Ship: Royal Bride
Nationality: English

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I'll look at the image if I can find it. Oh, Victoria and alone and unassisted.

He was born in Wales and was with the family in 1851:

1851 Wales Census
HO107/2461/567/16
Corntown Farm, Ewenny, Glamorgan, Wales
John Sands, 50, Head, Farmer of 330 acres, Llandough, Glamorgan, Wales
Ellen Sands, 39, Wife, Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
John Samuel Sands, 11, Son, Llandough, Glamorgan, Wales
Jane Sands, 9, Dau, Scholar at home, Llandough, Glamorgan, Wales
Llewelyn Sands, 6, Son, Scholar at home, Llandough, Glamorgan, Wales

so nothing unusual with him being away as a border or whatever.

His father John died 1880 in Gunning and his mother Ellen in 1878 in Gunning and buried in Old General Cemetery Goulburn:

ID 639 SANDS Elleanor CE146 9 August 1878, 67y

Please see if you can find any more on John.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you for the Woronora link.

Woronora Cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Burial
First Name: LLEWELLYN Other Names:
Date of Death: 21/09/1911 Interred Date: ?
Location Section Position
Anglican SECTION FF 0031

Spouse

Woronora Cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Burial
First Name: LYDIA Other Names:
Date of Death: 06/08/1942 Interred Date: ?
Location Section Position
Anglican SECTION FF 0031

Llewellyn had 3 siblings and we'll do them next.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1867 N.S.W Post Office Directory
SANDS John, farmer, Murray’s Flat

1870-71 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Argyle
SANDS John, Burryong, freehold, Narrangarill

1875 N.S.W Post Office Directory
SANDS, John, squatter, Boureong
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1892-1899 N.S.W Sands Directory
SANDS Llewellyn, Wallace st., Hurstville

1900-1911 N.S.W Sands Directory
SANDS Llewellyn, Wallace st., Kogarah

1904 N.S.W Post office Directory
Sands Mrs. Llewellyn, artist, 21 Railway-terr., Petersham

E/R images sent for Lydia

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

A sibling and probably not much else to find:

Births Mar 1842
Sands Jane Bridgend 26 318

SANDS Jane 10 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465

Death Reg# 3141/1859 SANDS JANE JOHN ELEANOR GOULBURN

Old Goulburn Cemetery
ID 638 SANDS? CE 146 12 Dec 1858 16y

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

The next one:

Births Sep 1839
Sands John Samuel Bridgend &c 26 318

SANDS John Samuel 13 and family Rattler 1853 2136, 2465

John Samuel SANDS was known to be living at "Baltinglass" near Gunning NSW from c. 1875. His son, Llewellyn SANDS took over the property in 1884.

Death Reg# 9086/1905 SANDS JOHN S JOHN ELEANOR GUNNING

married 1965 Goulburn

Frances Elizabeth GRUBB b. ? d. 1921 Goulburn

Death # 14496/1921 SANDS FRANCES E THOMAS SARAH GOULBURN

I've had no luck in Australia or UK yet finding her birth or arrival or parents marriage.

I don't know if they are both buried in Goulburn Cemetery.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I've checked the NLA site. I can't see anything to help me with Frances GRUBB. I noticed Mrs Llewellyn SANDS is mentioned as a teacher. I noticed a disputed will and a very long court battle.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

The Sydney Morning Herald..Saturday 18 December 1858
DEATH
On Thursday, the 9th instant, of consumption, in her 17th year, at the residence of her parents, Cambrian Vale, near Goulburn, Jane, the only daughter of John and Ellenor Sands, late of Llandough, Glamorganshire, South Wales.

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crankypants