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Old 14th April 2018, 18:23   #1
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Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

The Irish Famine of the 1840s to 1852 bought hundreds of thousands of Irish people to England but there always was a steady flow of Irish migrants to England before the famine. Apparently I read that the Irish population of London in 1800 was about 20,000. I have come across many Irish and Scottish sounding surnames in early to mid 1700s in London, Manchester etc as well as French Huguenot in London. Many people migrated to Northern England from Scotland in the 1700s due to tenancy wars etc. I have a Scottish ancestor who moved to England in about 1750-1760. I may have some distant Irish as well.

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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

I've come across Kennedy's in the 1730's, in Oxfordshire Ben. That's just in the marriage index.

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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

My Irish ancestor who gave me his name was here before 1800 and married in London three times.
My other Irish ancestor I'm not sure exactly where he was from or where he was married. But I do know his son, was born in the Gorbals Glasgow in 1825 then travelled to Liverpool where he married in 1854 and was in London by 1862.
My Huguenot families arrived in London at various times after the revocation Edict of Nantes 22nd October 1685. I believe one of the families was here many years before this in the early 17th century, but I can't find any records for them at this time.

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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

As far as I am aware I have one Irish ancestor who married in Liverpool in 1796.

Any hints as to how I can find anything on an Elizabeth McGuire born Ireland c1768? (I have her details in England)

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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

My nan said that her maternal grandfather was part Irish. James Edgington was born in Oxford in 1852. His maternal grandad was James Smith, who I have mentioned on here a few times. James said he was not born in county of residence (Oxfordshire) in 1841 and died in 1849 aged 59 so did not live to see the 1851 census. When he wed in 1819 one of the witnesses was an Andrew Carney. Further sleuthing found that Andrew was from London and lived for a short time in Oxford before moving back to London.

James Smith was a tin plate worker/tin smith. Andrew Carney worked in the metal business and on his 3rd marriage in 1842 he says his dad was James Carney a cutler. Would be nice to try and get more info on Andrew, he may have been a relative. Carney sounds Irish. James Smith may have been a Londoner and moved up to Oxford as a tin man and stayed there. Andrew Carney was the same age as James Smith as he died in 1845 aged 56 so born c1788/1789.

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As far as I am aware I have one Irish ancestor who married in Liverpool in 1796.

Any hints as to how I can find anything on an Elizabeth McGuire born Ireland c1768? (I have her details in England)

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Same as you Emeltee Looking for Thomas Charles Hickey b c1766 father Michael a Coachmaker probably born co Cork. Also for James Higney/Hegney born possibly Donegal 1796 and John McEwen b c1770.
I have all Thomas' details in England some of James details in Scotland and nothing about John anywhere.


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As far as I am aware I have one Irish ancestor who married in Liverpool in 1796.

Any hints as to how I can find anything on an Elizabeth McGuire born Ireland c1768? (I have her details in England)

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Have you had a look through this MLT.

https://www.geni.com/surnames/mcguire


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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

Somehow I don't think I'm descended from any irish Princes - one of their illegitimate offspring maybe. Thanks anyway - I can always dream!

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Somehow I don't think I'm descended from any irish Princes - one of their illegitimate offspring maybe. Thanks anyway - I can always dream!

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It's more about the origins of the McGuire surname, I was thinking of., m'lady.

Ooop north, from where I am at present.

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Re: Irish and Scottish migration to England before 1840s.

In Leigh On Sea in Essex in the 1700s I have found Scottish surnames such as Ritchie, Guthrie and Ferguson. I have a John Guthrie born c1685. Also spelt Gutteridge.

No doubt some Scottish fishermen ended up in Leigh, maybe via London or travelled along the coast with their job and settled there.

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