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Old 9th May 2009, 09:31   #1
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CHALMERS in 1871

1871 Census Request lookup please.
Require info regarding family,
Most likely residing in Warwick area.

Marianne CHALMERS aged 30 born Dale farm, (close to Cheadle), Staffs
Alexander CHALMERS aged 2 son, born Kettlebrook, Warwick.

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Hi Dave,

1871

Civil parish Haughton
RD Tamworth
Sub RD Tamworth


Louisa Payne head age 62 widow occ farmer of 156 acres born Blithfield
Benjamin Payne sone age 21 occ farmers son born Haughton
Marianne Chalmers widow age 30 born Haughton
William Chalmers g/son age 2 born Tamworth
Herbert Radford (transcribed as Redford) g/son age 7 born Fargley
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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

Marriage

1861
District Tamworth
Apr/May/Jun 1/4

Alexander Chalmers
Mary Ann/Marianne Payne

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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

Hi Dave,

Heres Marianne/Mary Ann Payne in 1851.

Civil parish Haunton
RD Tamworth
Sub RD Tamworth

William Payne head age 46 occ farmer 132 acres born Haunton
Louisa wife age 42 born Colwich
John son age 26 born Haunton
Mary Ann dau age 10 born Haunton
Joseph son age 3 born Haunton
Benjamin son age 1 born Haunton
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1841

Civil parish Clifton Campville
RD Tamworth
sub RD Tamworth

Dale Farm

William Payne age 36 farmer
Louisa Payne age 30
John Payne age 1
Mary Payne age 5mths

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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

Hi Julie,

Thats a good deal of detective work thank you. Sorry to say that I think we are looking at the wrong person.

For instance, in the 1871 census you say her son is William from Tamworth, aged 2yrs, but her sons name should be Alexander from Warwick.
In the 1881 census Marianne is living with Elizabeth CHARLES (head) and her relationship is daughter! The only way I can think that she is a daughter is for Marianne to be born about 1840 and her name would be Marianne CHARLES. Again in the 1881 census, her son is listed as Alexander aged 12 born Kettlebrook, Warwick and that relationship to Elizabeth CHARLES is grandson,

After thinking about this situation, I wonder if the census data for 1881 is incorrect and should actually read
Mary Ann CHALMERS aged 40, Born Dale Farm, Staffs
From what is said and what is heard by the census officer this could make sense?

The name Payne doesn't fit since "Marianne" CHARLES would have to marry a CHALMERS.
Or am I missing something?

Perhaps you could search for Alexander CHALMERS aged 2yrs, Kettlebrook, Warwick.

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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

This is confusing as Elizabeth Charles (an alternative name of Arnold name has been submitted) born Hanbury is in 1851 with William and Ann Arnold aslo listed is Mary Payne age 74 and a Elizabeth Payne age 8 g/dau.

Alexander is only showing on the 1881 census with Marianne, though her husbands name was Alexander.

The birth index shows a William Alexander chalmers birth registered 1869 Tamworth Apr/May/Jun 1/4

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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

Kettlebrook comes under Tamworth. I would think that in 1881 is should read daughter but to Louisa Payne.

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Re: CHALMERS in 1871

Hi Julie,

Yes, upon reviewing your information and the 1881 census, the relationship is to the boarder and not the HEAD.
Is this usual for 1881 census info?

Therefore Marianne couldn't be a part of my ancestral tree.

Phew! At least thats another area solved.

Sorry for the trouble.

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Hi Dave,

Glad it has been solved. Seeing it looks like an error on the census I wouldnt call it unsual.

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