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Old 7th December 2017, 07:52   #1
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Townland names are they the same

Hello Everyone,

A quick question : are they the same place ?

Antrim :

TULLAGHGARLEY

TULLYGRAWLEY



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Old 7th December 2017, 08:17   #2
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Re: Townland names are they the same

Some sites don't seem to agree Leslee so I'v gone to this one.

2x in different parishes

https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toom...tullaghgarley/

https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antr...tullaghgarley/

Still can't answer the question though.


Map Information for Tullygrawley Road, Cullybackey, Ballymena, BT43 5PP.

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Re: Townland names are they the same

There are several lists of Townlands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ounty_Antrim#T

and TULLYGRAWLEY is not there.

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Re: Townland names are they the same

In all honesty Leslee, if you can narrow down a townland in a County, you have done extremly well.
Where I live in Southern Ireland, there are townlands with the same name in so many other Counties.

To get where you have, you've done well.

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Re: Townland names are they the same

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There are several lists of Townlands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ounty_Antrim#T

and TULLYGRAWLEY is not there.

Dave
Thanks Dave,

My Irish rellies are doing my head in with these townlands.
Might just keep this one in my file of not sure yet.... Hoping it might be just a spellin thingy

Donegal is the next lot....

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In all honesty Leslee, if you can narrow down a townland in a County, you have done extremly well.
Where I live in Southern Ireland, there are townlands with the same name in so many other Counties.

To get where you have, you've done well.

Steve.

Thanks Steve .....

Certainly a learning curve, trying to get your head around, Townlands, Parish, Registrar's District, Electral and Barony.

Think I'm getting it

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Re: Townland names are they the same

Different place I think...

Reference 1901 census

Townlands/Streets in Kells (Antrim)

Tullaghgarley Upper
(http://www.census.nationalarchives.i.../Antrim/Kells/)

Reference 1901 Census

Townlands/Streets in Galgorm (Antrim)

Tullygrawley

http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...ntrim/Galgorm/


This is what the Civil Registration District of BALLYMENA looked like in 1885,


Townland - Civil Parish - Reg District - Electrol Dist. - Barony

Kells - Connor -Galgorm - Kells - Antrim Lower
Tullaghgarley - Craigs - Galgorm - Galgorm - Toome Lower
Tullaghgarley - Ahoghill -Galgorm - Kells - Antrim Lower
Tullaghgarley - Connor - Galgorm - Kells - Antrim Lower


and I wonder why I get confused

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Re: Townland names are they the same

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Hello Everyone,

A quick question : are they the same place ?

Antrim :

TULLAGHGARLEY

TULLYGRAWLEY



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Yes and no.

I live near Ballymena. There are two townlands called Tullaghgarley. There are umpteen variations on how to spell them. Tullygarley, Tullygawley etc. This is to do with how its been transposed from gaelic into English and different folk have spelled it different ways. Tullagarley is probably the standardized name today, but that isn’t reflected in all documents or local road signs.

Standardised spelling of peoples names and place names was not a concept that bothered our ancestors. Spelling varies all the time in Ireland. Not necessarily because folk were illiterate (though some were) but more to do with peoples attitudes. In Irish, names and other words change according to the case. For example Seamus is the nominative for James. Hamish is the vocative for the same word. The genitive case usually acquires an extra i, and so on. So spelling changed naturally. There was no single “correct” spelling. Modern officialdom’s needs has changed that a bit today but you still see alternative spellings for some places.

One townland is north of Ballymena in the parish of Craigs. The second is south of Ballymena and is split between the parishes of Ahoghill and Connor, making it look like there’s 2 townlands there when there’s only 1. (The parish boundary goes through the middle of the townland).

Easy. Couldn’t be simpler!


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Thanks Elwyn,

Very informative and helpful..

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