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Old 28th January 2018, 08:26   #11
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Re: Family History

Name George Engwell
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Stow-Maries, Essex, England
Registration District Maldon
Residence Note Church Hill
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Ag Lab
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Birthplace Stow Maries, Essex, England
Page Number 8
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1775/71
George Engwell Son M 18 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Alfred Engwell Son M 17 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Reuben Engwell Son M 13 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Phillip Engwell Son M 12 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Fanny Engwell Daughter F 11 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Agnes Engwell Daughter F 9 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Hepzebah Engwell Daughter F 6 Stow Maries, Essex, England
Jim Engwell Son M 3 Stow Maries, Essex, England

I won't do them all.

ENGWELL, REUBEN - mmn= HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 226

ENGWELL, PHILIP - mmn= HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 216

ENGWELL, JIM FRANK - mmn= HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 293

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


The names in the census may not match the names in the GRO exactly. There are also a few errors in the GRO index.

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Re: Family History

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GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 189
One of those errors in GRO - should be Holden to match the marriage and the other births.

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Re: Family History

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William George Enguell (1889-1959)
Births in the index of FreeBMD and GRO 1887 - 1891 for a William.??

Births Mar Qtr 1889
Enguell William George W. Ham 4a 47


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ENGUELL, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn=FRY
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 47

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Re: Family History

George W Engell
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Essex
Parish East Ham
Ecclesiastical Parish ST MARY MAGDALENE
Registration District West Ham
Residence Note Livingstone Street
Gender Male
Age 29
Marital Status Married
Occupation Gas Stoker
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1862
Birthplace Essex, England
Page Number 24
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1341/ 107
George W Engell Head M 29 Essex, England
Harriet Engell Wife F 27 London, England
William Engell Son M 2 Essex, England
Harry Engell Brother M 25 Essex, England
George Reynolds Lodger M 28 Scotland


Harry is not with them in 1881.

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Re: Family History

A few variations in this one.

George M Enguell
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place East Ham, Essex, England
County Essex
Civil Parish East Ham
Ecclesiastical Parish St Johns North Woolwich
Sub-District East Ham
Registration District West Ham
Residence Note Storey Street
Gender Male
Age 38
Occupation GENERAL LABORER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Birthplace Star St Morrise, Essex
Schedule Type 45
Page Number 10
George M Enguell Head M 38 Star St Morrise, Essex
Harriet Enguell Wife F 37 Bl'Kfriars, London
William G Enguell Son M 12 Cyprus, Essex
Harry A Enguell Son M 10 Cyprus, Essex
Elizabeth H Enguell Daughter F 8 Cyprus, Essex
James A Enguell Son M 1 Cyprus, Essex
Ellen A Enguell Daughter F 5 Cyprus, Essex
Charles Damie Boarder M 58 Cyprus, Essex

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Re: Family History

ENGUELL, DAVID - mmn= HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 180

Deaths Jun Qtr 1926
Engwell David M 68 Edmonton 3a 664

Thanks David - now I have 1861.

David Enguell
County Essex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Stow Maries, Essex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish Essex
Registration District Maldon
Gender Male
Age 3
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Stow Maries, Essex
Page Number 7
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 1089 / 72
James Enguell Head Of Family M 28 Stow Maries, Essex
Betsey Enguell Wife F 24 ..., Essex
David Enguell Son M 3 Stow Maries, Essex
Julius Enguell Daughter F 1 Stow Maries, Essex


Something is not right.

2x James born the same place a few years apart??

After the 1862 birth.

Marriages Dec Qtr 1864
Crosbey Jane Maldon 4a 323
Engwell James Maldon 4a 323

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Re: Family History

James Enguell
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Little Wakering, Essex, England
Registration District Rochford
Gender Male
Age 53
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Hay Binder (Ag)
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1828
Birthplace Cold Norton, Essex, England
Page Number 1
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1772/32
James Enguell Head M 53 Cold Norton, Essex, England
Elizabeth J Enguell Wife F 40 Runwell, Essex, England
Alice E Enguell Daughter F 15 Lit Wakering, Essex, England
John Enguell Son M 10 Lit Wakering, Essex, England
Susannah A Enguell Daughter F 8 Lit Wakering, Essex, England
Harriet J Enguell Daughter F 5 Lit Wakering, Essex, England
Elizabeth J Enguell Daughter F 3 Lit Wakering, Essex, England
George W Enguell Son M 0 Lit Wakering, Essex, England

Something is not right but I can't see it at the moment.

Where are the birth reg in GRO for those children with mmn?

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Re: Family History

I'd like some help with this one thanks.

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Working up and down from George William Enguell (1862-1939) would be the best.

This fits

Deaths Dec Qtr 1939
ENGWELL George W 77 Essex S. W. 4a 301

So need to confirm a birth and mother's name.


Where is the family in 1871?
Hi Dave
The info I have which I think is right: George W Enguell born, Stanm St Marys, Essex, England 1862.
Mother's name is Elizabeth J Enguell ( born Croseby) in 1841,
place of birth- Runwell, Essex, England.
The 1881 Census list them living in Essex, at Little Wakering.

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Hi Jeff.

Are you saying James born 1828 didn't marry until 1864?

If George W was born 1862 and if Elizabeth J / Jane is his mother then he was born two years before the marriage and there is no sign of a birth reg.

Where is this George W in 1871 and 1881 ??

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Marriages Mar Qtr 1858
ENGWELL James Maldon 4a 181
HOLDEN Betsy Maldon 4a 181

Registration District Malden includes the parishes of Cold Norton and Stow Maries.

Birth
ENGWELL, GEORGE WILLIAM - mmn= mother's maiden name HOLDING * looks to be an error for HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 189

I have found this one in 1881. Post #11.

How do you explain that 1858 marriage and 1862 birth?

2x James born the same place both naming a son George William born 1862 in RD Maldon ??

If there are 2x George W born 1862 then where is the death for this one?


1871 census if found would be a great help.

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