Family History UK


Go Back   Family History UK Genealogy Forums > B.M.D's - Birth, Marriages & Deaths > Deaths

Share This Forum!  
 
     
          
FHUK Community Forums
     * Help us, to help you, to help each other *

Deaths Cannot find a death date or place - post your requests here

Family History UK comunity forums - FHUK
» Forum Adverts


Find My Past

Get your genealogy online



Tony Robinson Ancestry Tutorial 120x600

Genes Reunited.co.uk


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 8th March 2018, 08:12   #11
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Bit of a puzzle.

If George married twice then one was Mary and the other Ellen.

Also Ellen was probably a widow. ??

Death HAYWARD ELLEN 10471/1875 JAMES ELLEN - WINDSOR

SMITH ELLEN 990/1827 V1827990 125 JAMES ELLEN
SMITH ELLEN 830/1827 V1827830 127 JAMES ELLEN
SMITH ELLEN 847/1827 V1827847 128 JAMES ELLEN

Can't look any of those baptisms up.


Only the marriage for a George to Ellen Cox in the index.

Looks like maiden name is Smith but searching NSW index for George Hay* to an Ellen gives only the one hit.

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA

Last edited by DaveHam9; 8th March 2018 at 08:30.
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2018, 08:33   #12
gibbo
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bunderberg queensland
Posts: 19,094
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,839 Times in 2,258 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

So we cant find a marriage for George and Ellen and no birth for William. Wonder if William was first born I cant find his age at death

I'll have another look tomorrow.

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
shipman
________________________________________________
gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2018, 08:39   #13
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Also RC

HAYWARD JAMES J 2652/1852 V18522652 69 GEORGE ELLEN

If George married twice then first marriage must have been to Mary and second to Ellen.

Ok, thanks gibbo.

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2018, 09:46   #14
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

No baptism for Ellen around 1827 on FS.

No age at death for George so don't know yet.

??
George Haywood
Christening Date 02 Mar 1823
Christening Place NEWARK UPON TRENT,NOTTINGHAM
Father's Name George Haywood
Mother's Name Rebecca

??
HAYWARD George 22 'Elizabeth' 1845 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2135, [4/4785] Page 237; Reel 2456, [4/4903]

Shropshire ?? Protestant Farm labourer 18 7s 6d.

Ellen must have been RC.

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA

Last edited by DaveHam9; 8th March 2018 at 20:42.
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2018, 09:10   #15
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Rebecca Haywood
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Newark, Nottinghamshire, England
Residence Note Balderton Gate
Registration District Newark Union
Parish Newark
County Nottinghamshire
Page Number 15
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 868/11
Rebecca Haywood F 45
George Haywood M 18 Nottinghamshire
Rebecca Haywood F 16 Nottinghamshire
Ann Haywood F 14 Nottinghamshire
William Darcy M 45

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2018, 19:35   #16
gibbo
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bunderberg queensland
Posts: 19,094
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,839 Times in 2,258 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

I found this but thinking it might not be of much use.

https://australianroyalty.net.au/ind...nellmccord.ged

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
shipman
________________________________________________
gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2018, 20:22   #17
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Thanks gibbo.

Was looking for this marriage. Don't know how Ellen Smith becomes Eliza Ferguson.

924/1853 V1853924 39C HEYWARD (HAYWARD)GEORGE - FERGUSON ELIZA -CJ

I can look that one up.

That tree says they had no children. So what about this one?

Birth 13152/1858 HAYWARD ELIZABETH GEORGE ELLEN WINDSOR

Dave

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA

Last edited by DaveHam9; 9th March 2018 at 20:56.
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2018, 20:47   #18
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Something is very wrong. Is the 1853 marriage the right one?

If this is Ellen Smith, where is the birth of the eldest son if James J is the 2nd as per his marriage??

HAYWARD JAMES J 2652/1852 V18522652 69 GEORGE ELLEN

??
HAYWOOD GEORGE 3956/1847 V18473956 64 GEORGE ELLEN

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2018, 01:10   #19
horse
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
horse's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 19,983
Thanks: 1,028
Thanked 2,642 Times in 2,560 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveHam9 View Post
Was looking for this marriage. Don't know how Ellen Smith becomes Eliza Ferguson.

924/1853 V18539go24 39C HEYWARD (HAYWARD)GEORGE - FERGUSON ELIZA -CJ
There may be something in that, Dave [dunno what it is ]

Taken from a public tree..
"Marriage
abt 1845
Not known if Ellen and David were married, but Ellen was known at the time of her marriage to George Hayward as Ellen Ferguson nee Smith

David Ferguson
(1825–)

Birth of Son James Joseph Haywood(1852–1931)
1852

Marriage
13 Feb 1853 • Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
St James's CofE Church

George Hayward
[1810–1878]"

Strange how nothing much is recorded, unless we are missing something

Geoff

EDIT: Another tree says Ellen was also known as Eliza...

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
.
________________________________________________
__________________
If it's not documented it didn't happen!

Census & BMD information is Crown Copyright.
horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2018, 01:23   #20
DaveHam9
FHUK Super Moderator
Country:
 
DaveHam9's Avatar
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 49,453
Thanks: 3,497
Thanked 2,071 Times in 1,889 Posts
Re: Elizabeth BARTLETT

Thanks Geoff.

The only place where Ellen is 'Eliza' is that marriage but children born before it.

I don't have a copy yet of the 1853 marriage or the RC baptisms.

If Ellen married David Ferguson then she should be a widow and I presume the marriage didn't take place until David had died.

Bap V18473956 64/1847 HAYWOOD GEORGE GEORGE ELLEN
Bap V1849253 66/1849 HAYWARD JANE GEORGE ELLEN
Bap V18501087 67/1850 HAYWARD MARY J GEORGE ELLEN
Bap V18522652 69/1852 HAYWARD JAMES J GEORGE ELLEN


Dave

<----- www.familyhistory.uk.com FHUK member researching ancestor names: ----->
Hamilton/Blackley/Mellefont/McLuckie/Lewton/Sands/Angel/Furner/Storrier/Askham/Barraclough
________________________________________________
__________________
* There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. *

Census and BMD information - Crown Copyright in care of TNA

Last edited by DaveHam9; 10th March 2018 at 01:33.
DaveHam9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
bartlett, fitzsimmons, hayward

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter FHUK Forum Replies Last Post
looking for elizabeth popsit Deaths 1 17th July 2015 06:19
Elizabeth R Ramseyclan Genealogy Beginners Help 7 6th July 2011 19:30
Elizabeth Ault sue ault Marriages 8 25th January 2010 19:48

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT. The time now is 17:35.


© familyhistory.uk.com - family history genealogy community forums
* Help us, to help you, to help each other *


Family History UK Genealogy Forums FHUK RSS Feeds

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.