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Old 19th April 2014, 12:32   #1
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John & Helen KELTIE

Helen Arnot VIRTUE bap. 20 May 1817 St Cuthbert's Edinburgh

John KELTIE born 6 Nov 1812 Alloa

He is not with his parents in 1841:

1841
Piece: SCT1841/465 Place: Alloa -Clackmannanshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alloa Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 25
Address: Broad Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KELTIE John M 50 Carpenter Outside Census County (1841) Surname: uncertain
KELTIE Margaret F 55 Outside Census County (1841) Surname: uncertain

Married sister Elizabeth here:

Piece: SCT1841/465 Place: Alloa -Clackmannanshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alloa Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 25
Address: Broad Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FLOCKHART James M 25 Merchant Outside Census County (1841)
FLOCKHART Elizabeth F 25 Clackmannanshire
FLOCKHART John M 4 Clackmannanshire
FLOCKHART Margaret F 2 Clackmannanshire
FLOCKHART James M 6m Clackmannanshire
LINDSAY Elizabeth F 15 Female Servant Clackmannanshire

John married on 19 Apr 1841 and is here with his family in 1851:

1851
Parish Number: 465
Civil Parish: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
ED: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_75 Page 50
Household schedule number: 204
Address: 4
SHELLIE John Head 38 Shore Master Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHELLIE Helen A Wife 34 Edinburgh, Midlothian
SHELLIE Mary dau 7 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire
HUTCHISON Michael nephew 10 Scholar Glasgow, Lanark ? [Clackmannan]
FLOCKHART John nephew 13 App Engineer Glasgow, Lanark ? [1841 Clackmannan]
FLOCKHART Andrew nephew 8 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SUTHERLAND Mary servant 15 Waisly, Renfrewshire


I'd like a look up please for John and Helen A in 1841.

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Re: John & Helen KELTIE

Hi Dave
FMP has the following
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house name--school wynd,in parish of Govan,Lanarkshire,schedule 76

Alexander Baird--------15---------1826-----engineers app----Scotland
Jean Hall---------------4---------1837-------------------------------
Margaret Hall----------13---------1828-----cotton PLW------Scotland
Mary Hall--------------15---------1826-----cotton PLW------Scotland
(widow)Jean Hall-------35---------1806-----IND??-------------------
George Hunter---------25---------1816-----cotton spinner-----------
>>JOHN KELTIE<<-----30---------1811-----mason------------------
David Scot------------30---------1811-----mason-----------------
William Thomson-------35---------1806-----mason-----------------
Alexander Watmore----35---------1806-----mason-----------------

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Re: John & Helen KELTIE

Thanks for looking. There are several John Kelties.

John Keltie & Helen Arnot Virtue
Marriage: 19 April 1841 Alloa, Clackmannan

Unless they were in separate households on census night they should be together. John is a shipping clerk in Alloa in 1851, 1861 and 1871.

I'll check to see if the mason is also in my tree. No - but the address 'school wynd' seems familiar. But again that probably exists in many towns.

I would think they are in Alloa but with the name badly transcribed as in 1851 SHELLIE.

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Re: John & Helen KELTIE

They married before census night but they are not together:

Piece: SCT1841/465 Place: Alloa -Clackmannanshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Alloa Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: East parish
Folio: 5 Page: 21
Address: Mill Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
VIRTUE William M 55 Wright And Spirit Dealer Clackmannanshire
VIRTUE Mary F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
VIRTUE Alexander M 25 Patren Maker Outside Census County (1841) Occ: possibly intended as Pattern Maker
VIRTUE Helen F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
VIRTUE John M 20 Patren Maker Clackmannanshire Occ: possibly intended as Pattern Maker
VIRTUE William M 15 Wright Apprentice Clackmannanshire
VIRTUE George M 14 Moulder Apprentice Clackmannanshire


Helen born Edinburgh hence not born in county.

Helen Arnot VIRTUE c. 20 May 1817 St Cuthbert's Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
William VIRTUE & Mary WRIGHT

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Re: John & Helen KELTIE

In the same street and nothing else stands out as being similar to KELTIE:

Piece: SCT1841/465 Place: Alloa -Clackmannanshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Alloa Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: East parish
Folio: 5 Page: 21
Address: Mill Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCLEAN Alexander M 30 Gardener Outside Census County (1841)
Page: 5/22 GORDON Barbra F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
MCLEAN Hellen F 9 Outside Census County (1841)
MCLEAN Cathrine F 7 Outside Census County (1841)
MCLEAN Janet F 5 Outside Census County (1841)
MCLEAN Barbra F 9m Outside Census County (1841)
ARKLIE John M 20 Outside Census County (1841) Surname: uncertain, could be Arklee


But he was born in Alloa so even that one probably ruled out.

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Re: John & Helen KELTIE

I can't find John in Alloa in 1841.

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