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Old 29th December 2012, 07:38   #1
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John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

Hello,

Another go at this one:

1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 424/1
Registration district: Dunfermline Burgh
Civil parish: Dunfermline Burgh
County: Fife
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 14
Address: Chalmers Street
John Keltie Head 29 Torryburn, Fifeshire Tinsmith
Margaret Keltie Wife 31 Limekilns, Fifeshire
Agnes M Keltie 7 [b. Limekilns]
Cecilia M Keltie 5 [b. Dunfermline]
James Keltie 3 [b. Dunfermline]
Margaret Keltie 11mo [b. Dunfermline]


2 more children and probably others I don't have yet.

name: John Caldwell Keltie
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 12 Sep 1872
birthplace: GOVAN,LANARK,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Keltie
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Caldwell
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11646-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

name: Margaret Wright Keltie
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 11 May 1881
birthplace: Johnstone & Elderslie, Renfrew, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Masterton Keltie
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Caldwell
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01882-0
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 232659
reference number: v 559-3 p 64

Possible death in 1917 for John and 1925 for Margaret, both in Lanark.

I'd like a look up for the family in 1881, 1891 and 1901 please.

That's the only ref I've seen so far that shows John senior with a middle name.

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Old 29th December 2012, 07:48   #2
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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

Not this one:

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1881
Piece 6445 Folio 29 Page 14
Civil Parish: City Glasgow
Municipal Borough:
County: Lanarkshire
Registration District: Blackfriars
Address: 12 John Knox Street, City Glasgow
KILTY, John Head Married M 42 1839 Cooper's Carter Glasgow Lanarkshire
KILTY, Margaret Wife Married F 40 1841 Ireland
That John was born 1 Nov 1840 Lanark to William Henry & Janet.

My John was born 23 May 1842 Torryburn to James & Cecilia.

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

couldn't let it beat me Dave, but took a while!

1881

MASTERTON, James Head Married M 38 1843 Tinsmith & Gas Fitter (Journeyman)
Torrieburn, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, Margaret Wife Married F 38 1843
Limekilne, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, Agnes Mci Daughter Unmarried F 18 1863 Cotton Mill Worker
Limekilne, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, Cecilia Daughter Unmarried F 15 1866 Cotton Mill Worker
Dunfermline, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, James Son Unmarried M 15 1866 Cotton Mill Worker
Dunfermline, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, John C Son M 8 1873 Scholar
Partick, Renfrewshire N/A
MASTERTON, Andrew C Son M 6 1875 Scholar
Pollockshaws, Renfrewshire N/A
MASTERTON, David Son M 2 1879
Johnstone, Renfrewshire N/A

Piece:5593

Folio:4

Page: 42

Registration District: Johnstone & Elderslie

Civil Parish: Paisley Abbey

Municipal Borough:

Address: 8, Mary Street, Paisley Abbey

County: Renfrewshire

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

1891

MASTERTON, James Head Married M 48 1843 Tin Plate Worker
Dunfermline, Fife N/A
MASTERTON, Margaret Wife Married F 51 1840
Limekilns, Fife N/A
MASTERTON, James Son Unmarried M 23 1868 Tin Plate Worker
Dunfermline, Fife N/A
MASTERTON, John Son Unmarried M 18 1873 Tinplate Worker Apprentice
Partick, Lanarkshire N/A
MASTERTON, Andrew Son Unmarried M 16 1875 Sheet Iron Worker Apprentice
Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire N/A
MASTERTON, David Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Johnston, Renfrewshire N/A

Piece:644

Folio:88

Page: 5

Registration District: Anderston

Civil Parish: Barony

Municipal Borough:

Address: Dock Street, Barony

County: Lanarkshire

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

and back to John in 1901

MASTERTON, John Head Married M 58 1843 Tinsmith
Tobury, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, Margaret Wife Married F 61 1840
Lemekilms, Fifeshire N/A
MASTERTON, David Son Single M 22 1879 Brass Engraver
Johnstone, Renfrewshire N/A

Piece:644

Folio:59

Page: 13

Registration District: Anderston

Civil Parish: Glasgow

Municipal Borough:

Address: 7, Gilbert Street, Glasgow

County: Lanarkshire

Will be very interested in what else you find out about this family, Dave. One different name in a census could be a mistake but not 3. Was he hiding something or just an awkward old ** who didn't like being asked his business by the enumerator?

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

Hello Barbara,

Thank you very much.

I will certainly try to solve this mystery within the next 366 days.

I have a death certificate too of one of the KELTIE's and a James MASTERTON is the informant. There are old topics here where we try to find the right James, and fail.

Happy New Year.

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

Hello Barbara,

Parents marriage:

James KELTIE & Cecilia MASTERTON
4 Sep 1835 Torryburn, Fife

He was not born before the marriage so he is not taking his mother's name.

name: Margaret Wright Keltie
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 11 May 1881
birthplace: Johnstone & Elderslie, Renfrew, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Masterton Keltie
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Caldwell
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01882-0
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 232659
reference number: v 559-3 p 64

I would say he gave the enumerator his middle name and it's been taken as the family name, or the transcription has left off the Keltie bit.

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

Not being able to look at the original doesn't help but 3 times seems a bit much unless they had the same enumerator

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

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Not being able to look at the original doesn't help but 3 times seems a bit much unless they had the same enumerator

Barbara
That is a good point.

It certainly looks the right family. Torryburn and Limekilns and son John with middle initial C.

I purchased 60 credits yesterday but I think I'll use most of them on death certificates.

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Re: John KELTIE & Margaret CALDWELL

John Keltie

Born 23 May 1842
Address - Torryburn, Fife, Scotland

Married to - Margaret Caldwell on the 28th Aug 1863 in Dumfermline, Fife, Scotland

Died - 2 Nov 1917 at 91 Yorkhill Street, Glasgow, Scotland.

With regards to the name issue..John Keltie, He was later know as John Masterton as he changed the family name after a bankruptcy. Masterton is after his mother's maiden name

Cecilia Masterton Born 23 Aug 1815 Died 29 May 1902 at Graham Road, Falkirk, Stirling Scotland. John Keltie's father was James Keltie, Born 1814, died 15 Feb 1857

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