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Old 11th October 2017, 01:31   #1
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Robert Graham - County Derry

Hi Everyone,

I am currently researching my family history and have come to a bit of a roadblock for one branch. I believe that my Great Great Grandfather's name was Robert Graham and he had three sons, Thomas Graham (1840), Samuel Marks Graham (1846) and James Barclay Graham (1855). The three sons all moved to Australia sometime around the 1870-1880's. While I have been able to find out quite a lot about the sons, I have not been able to find out anything about their father or mother. One of the sons named his house in Australia "Movenis", which I have been able to find out was a small village near Garvagh in Londonderry. I am guessing that this may be the area they came from.

If anyone is able to shed some light on whether any information is available on Robert Graham and his wife it would be a great help for my research.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

Hello Barry and to the Forum.


Finding records in Ireland before about 1864 is very hit and miss depending on the denomination and the parish. Not all records after the start of civil registration are on-line yet. Also, not all events would have been registered.

The members here will try to help you.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

Movenis was in the civil parish of Desertogill. https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry...ghill/movenis/

You can search for a baptism here - https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0360. but they are not indexed,so it is a case of trawling through the records. Good luck.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

Thanks very much Dave.

I have tried many different methods to try to find details, none of which have been very successful. Newspaper archives in Australia have helped me a lot with the sons who came out to Australia, however anything that I currently have on Robert Graham is guesswork on my part. If no one is able to find any information, then I am no worse off than I am now. Any help that the forum members may be able to provide can only be a positive for me.

Thanks very much for any help that may come.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

CofI or RC or Presbyterian?

I was out of luck with my Hamilton family in Co Down because they were Presbyterian and no baptism records survive for the years in question.

If you have any other queries then post them to the appropriate board.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

First Name JAMES BARCLAY
Last Name GRAHAM
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Aged (Years) 55 Date of Death 11/11/1911
Suburb BOULDER
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Grant Number K0005758 Grantee
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 28/07/1976
Renewal Status APPROACHING RENEWAL

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

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Movenis was in the civil parish of Desertogill. https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry...ghill/movenis/

You can search for a baptism here - https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0360. but they are not indexed,so it is a case of trawling through the records. Good luck.
Thanks for that link. I will start searching through it and see if anything comes up at all.

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Regarding your thinking on the house name. I have an Adamson born 1879 London, Father born Sheffield to William Adamson born SELBY. Mary married a William Henry Allen and in 1911 stayed at 83 Grange Road, St James St. I went looking for her house, and the glass door had a lovely engraving on it with the name SELBY. Never thought of downloading it and now the door is changed. Also have Joseph Thomas from Sheffield father the same William Adamson, emigrated to Victoria and called a daughter Ruby SELBY Adamson. As has been stated it's very hard to find early Irish records.

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

https://www.johngrenham.com/findasur...surname=Graham

Just found this site so haven't been through it all.

This one is a pay site
http://www.rootsireland.ie/

http://grahamfamily.rushlightmagazine.com/

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Re: Robert Graham - County Derry

Movenis isnít a small village. Itís a townland comprising 375 acres of agricultural land. A townland is a uniquely Irish land unit. In the 1831 census of Co. Derry there were 43 households in Movenis but none had the surname Graham.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Likewise in Griffiths Valuation in 1859, there are no Graham households listed there either.

In 1901 there were 18 houses in Movenis, with a combined population of 69. Nearly all were engaged in farming. There were 2 Grahams, both were servants and both were Presbyterian. One was born in Co Derry and the other in Co Antrim.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...venis/1519659/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...venis/1519662/


The nli site quoted earlier by gortonboy only has RC baptisms and marriages. If your family were of another denomination the records may not be on-line. Looking at the 1901 census for the county, there were 364 people named Graham. 200 were Presbyterian, the others a mix of Church of Ireland and RC.

I note that your ancestors had surnames as middle names. (You often find that was a motherís maiden name, or the surname of a respected family friend). Thatís a typically Presbyterian trait, so Iíd guess thatís the most likely denomination. So they are probably of Scottish descent (as is half the population of Co. Derry).

I see that James Barclay Graham was buried as a Methodist. There arenít many Methodists in the Movenis area and no Methodist Meeting House nearby. Iíd doubt he was baptised into that denomination.

Desertoghil early Church of Ireland records were destroyed in the 1922 fire in Dublin and they now have no records prior to 1873. Moneydig Presbyterian is nearby but has no records earlier than 1857. Garvagh 1st Presbyterian, again nearby, has baptisms 1795-1816, 1822 Ė 49 and 1859 onwards. Marriages 1795 Ė 1802, 1807 Ė 14 & 1822 onwards.

Garvagh 2nd has baptisms & marriages from 1830 onwards. Garvagh 3rd only has records from 1864 but I suspect that is when it opened.

The records for Garvagh 1st & 2nd Presbyterian churches have been copied and are in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. A personal visit is required to search them. I donít think the records are on-line anywhere but you could try the rootsireland site (subscription). They might have them. Otherwise you need a researcher to go to PRONI.

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