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Old 29th December 2015, 08:05   #11
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Re: Royal & John ATKINS

No proof yet to establish John & Royal are brothers. unless you have found something else since my post.

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Re: Royal & John ATKINS

Thanks Rupert.

I'm lost with the new search function on SLQ site so can't find John in Transportation database.

If he was transported to VDL then I'll search for his Ident which should list his family. That should rule John out for sure.

Royal's wife and parents should be in Coventry in 1841 but I'm not sure I've found them.

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Joseph Atkins
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Michael, Warwickshire, England
Residence Note Park Street, Little
Gender Male
Age 50-54
Age (Original) 50
Birth Year (Estimated) 1787-1791
Birthplace Warwickshire
Registration District Coventry
Book Number 6
Parish St Michael
County Warwickshire
Page Number 24
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1152/35
Joseph Atkins M 50 Warwickshire
Mary Atkins F 50 Warwickshire
Ann Atkins F 20 Warwickshire
Joseph Atkins M 15 Warwickshire
Elizabeth Atkins F 15 Warwickshire
Newcombe Atkins M 4 Warwickshire

Robert Tatlow M 30 Warwickshire
John Munroe M 30


The first four fit but the next two highlighted don't.

Checking 'claim a convict' no John Atkins in Trial Place Warwick (Coventry City General Quarter Sessions).
Did he remain in the U.K?

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: John Atkins
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Date of Trial: 26 Mar 1835
Trial Year: 1835
Location of Trial: Warwickshire, England
Sentence: Death
Crime: See Image [Burglary]
Date of Execution or Release: See Image [Imprisonment for 12 months]

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Royal Atkins
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Date of Trial: 26 Mar 1835
Trial Year: 1835
Location of Trial: Warwickshire, England
Sentence: Death
Crime: See Image [Burglary]
Date of Execution or Release: See Image [Imprisonment for 12 months]


Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: John Aston Atkins
Parish: Coventry, St Michael
Baptism Date: 10 Feb 1817
Father's name: Joseph Atkins
Mother's name: Mary Atkins

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Royle Atkins
Parish: Coventry, St Michael
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1815
Father's name: Joseph Atkins
Mother's name: Mary Atkins


1841 same page as above
John Atkins Male 25 1816 Warwickshire, England
Matilda Atkins Female 25 1816 Warwickshire, England
Joseph Atkins Male 2 1839 Warwickshire, England
Harriet Atkins Female 0 1841 Warwickshire, England
Street Park Street, Little
Parish or township St Michael
City or borough Coventry
Town -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Coventry
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1152
Book number 6
Folio number 35
Page number 24


Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910
Name: John ?? Atkins [middle name on signature could be Aston] see last image
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Matilda Davell
Spouse Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 3 Sep 1838
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Coventry, Holy Trinity
Father Name: Joseph Atkins
Spouse Father Name: William Davell

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2nd marriage

Name: John Aston Atkins
Age: Full Age
Status: Widower
Spouse Name: Emma Mand
Spouse Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 12 Oct 1846
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Coventry, St Peter
Father Name: Joseph Atkins
Spouse Father Name: William Maud


1851
John Atkins Head Married Male 33 1818 Ribbon Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Emma Atkins Wife Married Female 27 1824 Ribbon Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Matilda Atkins Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1843 Scholar Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Ann Atkins Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Street Nelson Street
Town -
Parish Holy Trinity
City Coventry
County Warwickshire
Hamlet -
Parliamentary borough Coventry
Municipal ward Coventry
Registration district Coventry
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2068
Folio 407
Page 15

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Re: Royal & John ATKINS

Thanks Rupert.

It looks as though they are the right baptisms and Mary's maiden name is Aston. I'd say it was Royal's brother who was also convicted in 1835. Royal was convicted in 1839. The full Ident:

Number: 7930 Name: ATKINS Royal Where Tried: Warwick Coventry City G.Q.S. When Tried: 14 Oct 1839 Height: 5 5 1/4 Age: 27 Sentence: 7 Religion: P Read or Write: R Single or Married: M Statement of Offence: Stealing some machinery work belonging to Birmingham Railroad Compy. - 12 mos. for Housebreaking - Ironed at the Hulk for noise Surgeons Report: 2 Offces. Bad Trade: Labourer Native Place: Coventry Remarks: W. Mary at NP F. Joseph M. Mary at NP B. Jno. Joseph S. Ann at NP

Looks like the right family in 1841. Only problem is that Royal's wife Mary should also be in Coventry in 1841. Newcombe looks to be their son but he is with grandparents.

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Re: Royal & John ATKINS

Joseph Atkins & Mary Aston
15 Apr 1811 St Michael​ Coventry,​ Warwickshire
Batch: M021411

Joseph Atkins & Mary Baddeley
25 Sep 1808 St Michael Coventry, ​Warwickshire
Batch: M021411


Mary Aston is the one that fits.

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