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Old 28th May 2014, 18:39   #1
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looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

looking for my grandfather John Joseph Byrne born Liverpool 1880

**Info we have not been able to find: a Birth Cert/Baptismal or any record of him in the 1901 census.If he was at Bury Depot was there a census taken there,or perhaps he was away overseas in a British conflict? This has always been our brick wall.

Info we do know :

**John Joseph Byrne Attested Jan.11/1901 in Liverpool age 20yrs. old Lancashire Fusiliers Rmgt.#8271 Rank: Private Born:Liverpool /Trade on Enlistmentriver Enlisted on short service (7yrs Army and 5yrs Army Reserve) Served in C company at Depot in Bury.

**Register of Marriage St Chrysostom Church Everton Liverpool
Groom:John Joseph Byrne Married Dec.4/1907 (27yrs old) Fruit Porter/Residence 25 Skyes St. Fathers Name: Joseph Byrne (deceased) Occupation:driver
Bride:Agnes Walmsley (22yrs old)Residence:14 Solva St Father:James Walmsley Deceased Occupation:Brass Finisher Witness:James Ward and Margaret Ward.

**1911 Census

John Joseph Byrne Head married age 31 Occupation: Fruit porter
Agnes Byrne Wife age 26
John Joseph Byrne Son age 2yrs.
Andrew Byrne Son 16months
Quayle James nephew age 17 messanger boy
Sommerville Jessie Niece age 8

**Certificate of Death
John Joseph Byrne Lancashie Fusiliers Rgmt:8271 Rank:Private
Age:35
Country of Birth:England
Date of Death: Feb.19/1916
Place of Death:France
Cause of Death:Killed in action
Buried @ Sucrerie Military Cemetary ColincampSSomme,France

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

this may be John Joseph with his father, a widower, and grandmother in 1891

Name:
John J Byrne

Age:
10

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1881

Relation:
Grandson

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Everton

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Benedict

Town:
Liverpool

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England



Registration district:
West Derby

Sub-registration district:
South Everton

ED, institution, or vessel:
23

Piece:
2947

Folio:
9

Page Number:
11

all born Liverpool

Mary Byrne 56 Dunmore
Annie Byrne 30
Joseph Byrne 32 Warhouseman
Andrew Byrne 22 ''
John J Byrne 10

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

1881 England Census
about Joseph Byrne




Name:
Joseph Byrne

Age:
22

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1859

Relationship to Head:
Head

Spouse:
Hannah Byrne

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:
Liverpool

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

Street address:
28 Comus St

Marital Status:
Married

Occupation:
Provision Dealer

Registration district:
Liverpool

Piece:
3631

Folio:
131

Page Number:
26

Joseph Byrne 22
Hannah Byrne 21
John Joseph Byrne 6m

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

this looks like John's birth. you can get a cert from GRO

Name: John Joseph Byrne
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1880
Registration District: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Volume: 8B
Page: 183
Line Number: 224

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

If this is Joseph's marriage, John Joseph was born out of wedlock


LancashireBMD Marriage indexes for the years: 1882

BYRNE Joseph - DERHAM Hannah West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

Thankyou to davelambert271 for taking the time to respond to my query.

I can now check further with these new details.

*Not sure if this is how or where you post a thankyou, however I'm a newbie.

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Hi Annalea. It is fine say thank you within threads. If you wish to use it, there is also a THANKS button in the bottom right hand corner of each post. Geoff/Horse

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

1901 census

MARY BYRNE HEAD WIDOW Female 68 1833 - IRELAND

JOSEPH BYRNE SON WIDOWER Male 43 1858 PROVISION PORTER LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE

ANDREW BYRNE SON SINGLE Male 32 1869 COTTON PORTER LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE

JOHN J BYRNE GRAND SON SINGLE Male 20 1881 FREIGHT CLERK LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE


House 10 CHELSEA ROAD

Parish LITHERLAND
Town LITHERLAND
Country ENGLAND
Municipal ward SOUTH
Parliamentary borough ORMSKIRK SOUTH WEST
Registration district WEST DERBY

Series RG13
Piece number3449
Folio number 140
Page 24

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

this death fits the time scale


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name:Joseph Byrne

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858

Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1902

Age at Death: 44

Registration district: West Derby

Inferred County: Lancashire

Volume: 8b

Page: 279

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this looks like the same death, it may help confirm we have the right family if you know he was a catholic

Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988

Name: Joseph Byrne

Birth Year: abt 1858

Age: 44

Death Year: abt 1902

Burial Date: 21 Mar 1902

Parish: Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

grave no G105

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

1871


Registration district:
West Derby

Sub-registration district:
Toxteth Park

ED, institution, or vessel:
8

Household schedule number:
133

Piece:
3809

Folio:
87

Page Number:
23

Joseph Byrne 40 At Sea, Cooper
Mary Byrne 34 Ireland
John Byrne 14 Birkenhead
Peter Byrne 13 Ireland
Joseph Byrne 12 L'pool
Ann Byrne 10 L'pool
Thomas Byrne 5 L'pool
Andrew Byrne 2 L'pool

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Re: looking for my grandfather JJ Byrne

Thank you davelambert271

I'm so excited to see all the information and will research it further/order certificates.My father John Joseph Byrne allways said his ancestry was Irish,so (maybe Catholic?),however he did not discuss these matters which is why we did not discover he was a Home Child until after his death.The only thing I know for sure is that my grand father John Joseph Byrne married in Dec.4/1907 to Agnes Walmsley St.Chrysostom -Church of England.

Again,I'm so pleased to be given this new information.

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