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Old 5th November 2011, 19:48   #11
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Re: John RICE

Hi Dave,

Here's 1871
Piece:669 Folio:123 Page:30 Registration District:Lambeth
Civil Parish:Lambeth
Address:Methley Street, Lambeth County:London, Surrey

The household is that of a James T. Whalley, wife Anne & 2 children, born Surrey

RICE, Charlotte M Lodger 53 Dressmaker London
RICE, Hephzibah R Daughter Telegraphic clerk 24 Middlesex
RICE, Josephine W Daughter Telegraphic clerk 22 Surrey
RICE, John N Son Cam c. (?) clerk 20 Surrey

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Re: John RICE

Josephine's baptism - have you had Wilson included before?

Name: Josephine Wilson Rice
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1848
Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1848
Father's Name: John Rice
Mother's Name: Charlotte Mary Rice
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham

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Re: John RICE

Hello Woody,

Thank you very much.

No, Wilson is another middle name like Ritchie that I have no clue about.

I think I found Hephzibah's marriage and the family in 1881 although it has a diff pob for her.

I'm not actually chasing the children, just trying to see If I have the right John for the father of Mary C born abt 1847 Bermuda. Mary C's 1868 marriage has her father as John Bone RICE, deceased.

One researcher working backwards from the marriage of son Samuel seemed to come to the conclusion Samuel and his father John and Samuel's spouse and parents were all at some time living in the Chatham Marine Barracks.

Seems we can't confirm that by searching for RICE. Perhaps we should now look for the other family.

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Re: John RICE

Hello Woody,

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The marriage of son Samuel:

Marriages Sep 1869
Rice Samuel Medway 2a 710
RUSSELL Eleanor Medway 2a 710

Ellen/Eleanor's father was John Thomas RUSSELL of the Coast Guard. It is claimed that Eleanor, her father John and Samuel (a drummer) and his father John (a Bandsman) were all in the Chatham Marine Barracks.
Could you please see if you can find John Thomas RUSSELL and family in 1851 and 1861.

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Re: John RICE

Possible:

name: Eleanor Russell
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 19 Oct 1845
baptism/christening place: St. Margaret-at-Cliffe, Kent, England
birth date:
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name note:
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father's name: John Thomas Russell
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I01082-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1835621
reference number: 83-84


John Thomas RUSSELL b. abt 1819 Portland, Dorset

Spouse Jane PIERCE

Children
Elizabeth RUSSELL b: 1844 in Cornhill Kent
Eleanor RUSSELL b: 1846 in Cornhill Kent
Mary A RUSSELL b: 1848 in Pegwell Bay St Lawsrence Kent
Ann A RUSSELL b: 1850 in Worth, Kent

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Re: John RICE

Hello Woody,

I think it's back to square one. I think you will find that Samuel who married Ellen daughter of the Coast Guard man was born in Leeds and in 1871 was a 'bandsman' also born Leeds, hence not the Samuel son of John & Charlotte.

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3430 / 57 Page 2
Census Place Tupton, Derby, England
Dwelling Incline House
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edward BUXTON Head M Male 38 Youlgreave, Derby, England Railway Labourer
Ann BUXTON Wife M Female 32 Brampton, Derby, England
George BUXTON Son Male 14 Walton, Derby, England Colliery Labourer
Alice BUXTON Dau Female 4 Brampton, Derby, England
Edward BUXTON Son Male 1 Whittington Moor, Derby, England
Samue RICE Boarder M Male 39 Leeds, York, England Railway Labourer
Ellen RICE Boarder M Female 35 Dover, Kent, England

Harry RICE Boarder Male 9 Rochester, Kent, England Scholar
Lily RICE Boarder Female 7 London, Kent, England Scholar
Alice RICE Boarder Female 5 New Southgate Ex, Middlesex, England Scholar
Samuel RICE Boarder Male 3 London S Battersea Park, London, Middlesex, England
Anne RICE Boarder Female 1 Manchester, Lancashire, England


Births Jun 1841
Rice Samuel Leeds 23 393
Rice Samuel Leeds 23 395

It's still possible the father of Samuel born Leeds is John RICE but is it John Bone RICE or not? Or is John father of John Samuel then John Bone RICE? Or are neither John Bone RICE?

This is so much fun.

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Re: John RICE

I think I will start a new topic for John Bone RICE.

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