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Old 29th October 2016, 04:28   #1
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Richard John MOTZ

Married May 18 1813
Richd. Motz Ralf Bachr. [Hamlet of Ratcliff]
Susannah Pennel of same Spinster
Banns
2 1
9 2
16 3

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MARRIAGES Solemnized in the Parish of St. Dunstan Stepney in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1813
No. 148
Richard Motz of this Parish and Hamlet of Ratcliff Bachelor
Susannah Pennell of this parish and same Hamlet Spinster
were married in this Church by Banns this Eightenth Day of May 1813
By me Charles Henrick ? Presil ? Mill ? Curate
Both signed (R. John Motz)
Witnesses: Thomas Burch, Charlotte Pennell


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Children
Susannah Elisabeth
baptism date: 28 Sep 1817 St. Nicholas Deptford, Kent
Richard Motz & Susannah
Batch: P001622

Richard Michael James
baptism date: 4 Nov 1827 St. Nicholas Deptford, Kent
Richard John Motz & Susannah
Batch: P001622


1841 ?

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1845 Marriage solemnized at the Church in the Parish of St George the Martyr Southwark in the County of Surrey
No. 57 November 11th
Thomas Newington Newbery 55 Widower Gent. Gray Street Webber St. John Newbery Coal Merch.
Susanna Fruit Motz 45 Widow - Gray Street Webber St. Michael Pennell Waterman
Married in the Parish Church ... by Banns By me E. K. Kunten ? Curate
Thomas signed, Susanna (her x mark)
Witneses: Wm. Stead, Frances Bell


Looking for anything more on Richard.

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Re: Richard John MOTZ

Can't find a death for Richard but have found the following baptism on fs

John William Motz bapt. 14/12/1830 St Nicholas Deptford, Kent parents Richard and Susanna

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Re: Richard John MOTZ

Thanks Emeltee.

That's one I didn't have.

Connection is Newbery family. A very interesting family of Hampton Court.

Deaths Mar 1869
Newbury Susan 74 Poplar 1c 493

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Susan Newbury
Record Type: Death
Death Date: 16 Mar 1869
Death Place: Poplar, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register
[Image has aged 74y. Buried in Ilford cemetery]


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Re: Richard John MOTZ

One thing I have just noticed - when Richard Motz and Susanna Pennell married it is noted that they both signed. However when Susanna Fruit Motz married for a second time to Thomas Newbery she made her mark. Probably nothing in it, just seems strange to me.

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Re: Richard John MOTZ

Thanks Emeltee.

Yes, I noticed that also. I will shortly be moving on to 'N' in my tree and the Newbery family. Several members married several times and I've tried to sort out some marriages by the fact that the Newbery's in my tree (of Hampton Court) would not be signing by their marks.

The 'signatures' on the 1845 marriage seem to be written in the same hand as the rest of the record. Ok for Susanna if she signed by her mark but odd because in an earlier marriage Thomas signed Thos. Newington Newbery.


Susanna c. 18 Oct 1795 Stoke Damerel, Devon
Michael PENNELL & Jane
Batch: C052422

Can't see a baptism to show that witness Charlotte was a sister. Don't know how related yet.


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Re: Richard John MOTZ

Richard Maly
Spouse: Susannah Pennell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 May 1813
Parish: Stepney St. Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register


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Thomas Pennell
Spouse's Name Charlotte Jordon
Event Date 27 Jun 1795
Event Place St Dunstan Stepney, London
Batch: M055763

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Re: Richard John MOTZ

Born Gosport but baptised in Devon ? - father Michael a waterman.

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1086/6 Folio 42 Page 27
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
Municipal Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey
Registration District: St George the Martyr Southwark
ED:
Address: Gray St, London Rd
NEWBERY Thomas 55 Labourer
NEWBERY Susan 45
NEWBERY Martha 10
BARKWITH James 60 Labourer Ireland
MOTTS Richd 14
HILLARY John 35 Labourer
HILLARY Susannah 35
HILLARY Clara 15
HILLARY Sarah 10
None born in county

1851
HO107 Piece 1565 Folio 390 Page 5
Civil Parish: St. George the Martyr Southwark
County: Surrey
Registration District: St George Southwark
Sub-RD: London Road
ED: 14
Address: Duke St
Thomas Newbury Head Mar 64 Coal and Corn Merchant Hampton Court Surrey [Middlesex]
Susannah Newbury Wife Mar 55 Gosport
Richard Moss Son-in-law Unm 23 Waterman Deptford Kent
Phillip Grady 10 [b. N]

Hampton Court is across the river Thames in Middlesex.
Son-in-law in the C19th had the double meaning of either son-in-law or step son.

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