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Old 26th August 2017, 20:38   #1
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Martha Orr

Martha was born in Ireland about 1748. She died in Millersburg Ohio in 1852. Don't know if she married before coming to USA. Don't know when she immigrated. Possible Steele connection.

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Re: Martha Orr

The names you have mentioned (Orr & Steel) are both very common in Ireland. Taking the 1901 census as a source, there were 3052 people named Orr and 1813 Steel(e). The names suggest Presbyterian/Church of Ireland denominations. That, together with the 1700s timescale, points to them being from the counties of Ulster (Counties Antrim, Down, Armagh, Londonderry, Cavan, Monahan, Donegal, Tyrone & Fermanagh).

A high percentage of the emigrants from Ireland to the USA in the 1700s were descendants of Scots and English settlers who arrived in Ireland as part of the Plantation of Ireland in the 1600s. By the 1700s, many of them were dissatisfied with conditions in Ireland and decided to move on again, whereas the native Irish didn’t start emigrating in large numbers till the 1800s, due to a population explosion, lack of employment opportunties and intermittent famines.

So I’d say your ancestors were probably Presbyterians or Church of Ireland folk who came from Scotland in the 1600s and settled in Ulster before moving on again 100 years later. Scotch-Irish is what they tend to be known as in the USA and Canada. Ulster-Scots is the term in Ireland.

There are very few records from the 1700s to search. And few of those that exist are on-line. With common surnames and without a specific parish or townland in Ireland, there’s not much prospect of tracing anything on this lady on the current information.

DNA testing is probably the most likely way of linking up with any family in Ireland (or Scotland).

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Re: Martha Orr

Have I been here before.

From the Rosdavis site .

George Black in Surnames of Scotland relates that Hugh de Hur was a member of an assize court in 1289, he, or another Hugh de Hur was a juror on the enquiry about the privileges claimed by Robert de Brus, Earl of Carrick in 1304. Hugh del Urre was a signatory to the Ragmans Rolls ( swearing allegience to Edward I) in 1296. The barony of Urr existed from at least 1280 and follows the valley of River Urr from Loch Urr/Orr some twelve miles inland where there was once a castle. It is believed that the Orr name is derived from Hugh. Around 1300 the lands of Urr changed hands when Edward I (the Hammer of the Scots) ravaged the land which is consistent with the family reappearing in the Lochwinnoch area ca 1300 where they have been ever since. Andrew Crawford, author of The Cairn of Lochwinnoch ca 1836 records that the Orrs had had charters [from the Abbott of Paisley ] `from five hundred years.` The first Orrs in Ulster were James Orr and wife Margaret McClement who went from Beith, next door to Lochwinnoch, to the Ards ca 1607 with the Montgomery Settlement ( Their lineage is in the Ulster Pedigree ca 1830 by Gowan Orr). Their sons were James and Patrick. James stayed in the North Down area around Comber; Patricks line moved on into Armagh and to Londonderry. Regrettably Gowan Orr did not include Patrick`s details in his genealogy. The Orrs are a recognised sept of Clan Campbell. Recent DNA tests by male Orrs indicates that, like many west coast Scots, they stem from Somerled and the Vikings who roamed the region and the Solway Firth , further supporting the claimed origins in South West Scotland.

If they were from around Beith/Lochwinnoch area then they went over around 1634 with James Hamilton ,who lived just outside of Beith

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Re: Martha Orr

There is also this account on Rosdavis site

There is a tradition in the family that the original name was McLean, and that in the troubled times in the beginning of the 17th century, two brothers, to avoid persecution, swam the river 'Orr' or 'Our' in Wigtownshire (Scotland} and saved their lives that way. They crossed in an open boat from Portpatrick to Donaghadee, and in thankfulness for their escape they took the name 'Orr' by which their descendants have been since known. One of the brothers, James Orr, settled at Ballyblack, to the south of Newtownards. He was interred in Movilla graveyard Newtownards, in the year 1627, Janet McClements, his wife, died in 1636..... Soon after the death of James Orr the family removed to Ballybeen, near Comber.'

I know people from Wigtonshire also went over with James Hamilton.

My own Ancesters went over with James Hamilton and are still Church of Ireland in 1911 Census.

The McLean Clan came from Argyll
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County Down

Abercrombie, Adair x3, Adams, Agnew x2, Aicken, Allen, Anderson x2, Andrews, Bailie x2, Barkley, Barklie x3, Bayly, Beatty, Blackwood, Blair x5, Boyd
x3, Brackley, Brown, Carlile, Carmichael, Carr, Carson, Cathcart x2, Catherwood, Chambers, Chermsides, Cooper, Cowper, Craig, Crawford x3, Crear,
Cummings, Cunningham x13, Danielston, Davidson, Dick, Dickson, Dodds, Douglas, Drennan, Drummond, Dufferin, Dunbar, Dunleath, Dunlop x3, Echlin
x4, Edmonston, Forsith, Frazer, Galloway, Galt, Galway, Gelston, Gemmil, Glen, Greenshields, Hamilton x14, Hare, Harper x2, Harvey x2, Hilton, Hogg,
Howie, Howson, Hunter, Innes, Julius, Keevet, Kelly, Kelso, Kennedy x7, Kerr, Kilpatrick, Kirkpatrick, Kyle, Kylr, Leckey, Leslie, Lindsay, Lloyd, Logan
x2, Magee, Martin, Mathyson, Maxwell x5, Millar, Monett, MOneypenny x3, Montgomery x18, Moon, Moore x7, Mowlane, Murray x2, McBurney,
McBride, McCappin, McCartney, McCashin x2, McClelland, McCleery, McComb, McCrae, McCreedy, McCullen, McCurry, McDonnell, McDougall x3,
McDowell x2, McEwen, McGarry, McGee, McGifford, McIlevrath, McIlveyne, McKay, McKee, McLarnan, McLellan x4, McLean, McMakene, McMaster,
McMillan, McMullen, McNabb, Nesbitt, Nevin, Nugent, Orr, Patrick, Patterson, Peacock, Peebles, Pollock x2, Read, Reid x2, Reynolds, Robb, Ross x5,
Rudd x2, Rutherford, Scott, Semple, Seton, Shaw x3, Spier, Stanehouse, Stanhouse, Stevenson, Stewart x2, Tate, Thomson x2, Trail, Waddell, Walker,
Wallace, Wanchop, Wardlaw, Wardlow, Watson, Selsh, Williamson, Wilson x4, Wylie, Wyms, Young

References:

(1) Familia, Number 11, 1995, Ulster Genealogical and Historical Guild, Belfast. Article: The Scots in Ulster - Their Denization and Naturalization 1605
-1634, by Rev. David Stewart; (2) Family Links, Vol. 1, No. 1, Jan. 1981, magazine of the Irish Genealogical Association, Belfast. Article: Surnames of the
Upper Ards, Co. Down; (3) Scottish Colloquim Proceedings, University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada, 1969.

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