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Old 21st August 2013, 13:15   #11
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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

There are another 3 daughters.

Ann Swain born abt 1853
Fanny Swain born abt 1854
Emma Swain born abt 1855
Eliza born abt 1857

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

@juliejtp: Yes, William and Mary Swain had a lot of children including at least six daughters: Isabella, born in 1863, in addition to the ones you mentioned.

No, I have not tried tracing Mary - I'm having enough trouble with Florence . It is possible that she was Florence's mother, but there seems no reason not to register the birth, as she had with Henry Johnson Swain in 1871. For reasons explained in a previous post, I think that Isabella is a more likely candidate, but I am not sure how to trace a registration purely on the basis of a mother's forename. I have not been able to find a mother with the Swain surname in Nottingham, for the relevant dates.

One thought which occurred is that Florence may have been one of a set of twins: is it true that twins were sometimes registered on one certificate? Or did I imagine that??

The reason I thought of this is that the aforementioned Mary appears to have been one of two twins: in the 1861 census record, there is a John Swain, born - like Mary - in 1849.

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Hi,

It maybe that sometimes twins were recorded together, though I have twins (not mine ) born 1887 with separate birth certificates.

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

This is something of a "spectacular bump", from an original post in mid-2013!

I've been trying to find my grandmother's birth record for about seven years, entirely without success. As mentioned on the first post, I have lots of records of her life, including a photograph of her at my parents' wedding, but no birth certificate or baptismal record. It's odd, because all of her notional relatives have birth records, but not her.

I recently downloaded the entry for my grandmother from the 1939 Register, and this gives her date of birth as 14 May 1876, and I was wondering if there is any way of tracing a birth record simply from the date? I'm assuming that the birth was registered in or around the Nottinghamshire area, which narrows it down.

Of course, the date may be wrong - my own mother's birthdate is given wrongly in another record - but all of those in my grandparents' record are correct.

All offers of help gratefully received!

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

Could she have been registered in Derby:

Name: Florence Swain
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Derby
Volume: 7b
Page: 482

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

Florence Swain born Dec 1876 Derby mmn Beardsley.

Only marriage Swain / Beardsley given as Dec 1839 in Basford

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

@Ladybird1300/@ptjw7

Thanks Amanda and Peter, and my apologies for the delay in responding to your suggestions. I'll try checking that lead. Derby is not impossible - it's about 35m from Redmile - although the October-December date does not coincide with the one Florence gave for the 1939 Register (14 May 1876).

Basford is roughly halfway between the Redmile and Derby, but 1839 seems too early for my Florence's parents to have been married: her notional grandparents would have been 17 and 15 at that time. Mind you, that assumes that they were really her grandparents.

Thanks again for your help. I will post more if I manage to find anything.

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Re: Can someone exist without having/showing a birth certificate?

It's obviously occurred to you that if Florence was illegitimate she might have been registered with her father's surname, rather than Swain (assuming she is the child of a Swain girl rather than a Swain boy!).

In 1876, there are 1 Florrie, 2 Florry births, and close to 100 Florences recorded in Nottingham district (although one of those, Florence Tutin, is registered twice, on two different pages, oddly). If you had all the time in the world you could try tracking each one to their 1881 census record to see if any of them go missing...

It wouldn't be quite so daunting a task if you began by believing the birth date you have and so exclude the earlier parts of the register. But still a lot of work for possibly no pay off!

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