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Old 7th January 2013, 21:30   #1
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William WALKER & Grace WEST

A marriage this time:



1880 Tenth March No 21 Leith Street Edinburgh After Banns According to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed. William Walker Hotel Keeper Widower - 57 - No. 21 Leith Street Edinburgh - Thomas Walker Bookbinder Journeyman Deceased and Jane Walker MS C?w.... ? Deceased
Signed. Grace West Widow of Alexander H.... ? Upholsterer - 42 - Same place - George West Cooper Journeyman and Grace West MS Horne
Signed. John Stuart D.D. Minr. of St. Andrews Edinburgh
Signed. M. West Witness, A. Douglas Witness
1880 March 12th At Edinburgh Alexr. Adam Registrar

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

I did not have this earlier marriage. No info received from a descendant that Grace had married twice. Curious.

Grace West
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 04 Jun 1869 Edinburgh Parish,​Edinburgh,​Midlothian,​Scotland
spouse: Alexander Hastings

Possibly this one:

Thomas Walker
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 28 Mar 1812 Edinburgh Parish,​Edinburgh,​Midlothian,​Scotland
spouse: Janet Cowan

Look at the first C in Church. Perhaps it is Cowans.

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

name: William Glespie Walker
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place: SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 11 Dec 1821
birthplace: Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Walker
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jean Cowan
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11988-6
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 993529
reference number: 2:18LSDV6


Nothing in marriage or census or in burial book or inscription on tombstone or anything found so far that the William who married Grace had a middle name and one that started with G.

1881
Registration District: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 21 Leith Street
WALKER William b. abt 1823 age 58 Edinburgh (Hotel Keeper)
WALKER Grace b. abt 1839 age 42 Mid, Gorebridge

1891
Registration number: 685/2
Registration District: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
ED: 37
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 6
Address: 21 Leith Street
WALKER William b. abt 1823 age 68 Edinburgh, Midlothian (Hotel Keeper)
WALKER Grace W b. abt 1840 age 51 Gorebridge, Midlothian


Death 1895 WALKER William St Andrew M 74

Burial Book: William WALKER aged 75 died 2 Nov 1895.

The Tombstone of George West and Grace Horn Temple Midlothian in Edinburgh
Erected by G & J WEST
WILLIAM WALKER husband of the above G. WEST died 2nd November 1896 [1895] aged 75 years

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

Hi Dave

Certainly one of your more intriguing cases...

Grace is easy to find in 51 and 61.
Family Search, marriage:
groom's name: Alexander Hastings
bride's name: Grace West
marriage date: 04 Jun 1869
marriage place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11685-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
***
Birth of Catherine:
name: Catherine Mc Kenzie Hastings
gender: Female
birth date: 07 May 1870
birthplace: EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Alexander Hastings
mother's name: Grace West
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
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1871, Scottish census:
Name: Alex Hastings
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Grace Hastings
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 19 Brunswick St
Occupation: Upholsterer
ED: 75
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1871_157
Grace Hastings, wife, 28, b. abt. 1843. Gorbridge, Edinburgh.
Isabella Lawson, 59, lodger, b. Kinross, Kinross

No sign of Catherine, but fits with the 1880 marriage, widow of Alexander Hastings, Upholsterer. Haven't found his death yet.

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

Hello Geoff,

Thanks for that.

I didn't have Grace in census in 1861 or 1871. I have her with William 1881 and 1891.

1851
Piece: SCT1851/674 Place: Borthwick -Midlothian Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Borthwick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Clayhouses
Folio: 760 Page: 11 Schedule: 41
Address: 12 Clayhouses
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WEST Geo Head M M 36 Cooper Midlothian - Temple
WEST Grace Wife M F 36 Fife - Inverkeithing
WEST Catharine Dau - F 13 Scholar Midlothian - Borthwick
WEST Mary Dau - F 13 Scholar Midlothian - Borthwick
WEST Eliza Dau - F 11 Scholar Midlothian - Temple
WEST Grace Dau - F 9 Scholar Midlothian - Temple
WEST William Son - M 7 At Home Midlothian - Temple
WEST Anne Dau - F 3 Midlothian - Temple


Now I can't find the copy of her death certificate. I thought I had it because I have the SP index entry:

1896 WEST GRACE WALKER F 55 STOBHILL /MIDLOTHIAN 698/B0 0027

Burial Book: Grace Walker West aged 56 died at Clay House 5 July 1896.

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

I can't find a tree that helps with this WALKER family.

It's 40 C here so I'll have to let the computer cool down. Don't like the graphics card going over 60 C.

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

No, I could only find one very brief tree on Anc. that was no help, no marriages etc.

I'll have another look.

We could do with some heat here

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

Hi Dave

No obvious trees for the Walkers, not even Thomas with Jane/Jean.

At the moment your William Glespie, mother Jean Cowans still a candidate His marriage to Grace, however, cites his mother fairly clearly as Jane

Even the 41/51 censuses are not congruent.

One to think about..

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

Hello Geoff.

Thanks for looking. Yes, no trees of any help.

The BOM has had to add an extra colour to the temperature map - 50+ for some parts of Australia today. Only got to 41.8 in Sydney. You may have 15 degrees.

I'm not worried about the Jean/Janet/Jane bit. I've seen those interchanged many times in Scottish records. I'm more worried that there is nothing after the baptism that shows William with a middle name. Not even the use of middle initial G. Date and place for the baptism fit and that is a large C so Cowan(s) is the only one I can find so far that fits.

I can't pick a William, Thomas or Jane in 1841 or 1851 as likely. William could have had any occupation before hotel keeper.

I have 7 credits left so do I get a copy of Grace's death certificate hoping it will have William G. Walker on it? I have two 'spare' credits because I already have the index record for Grace so I will look for a death for Jane.

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Re: William WALKER & Grace WEST

George a cooper at a gunpowder mill.

1841
Piece: SCT1841/700 Place: Temple -Midlothian Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Temple Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 8 Page: 3
Address: Upper Part of Gorebridge
WEST George 25 Male Occ Cooper Journeyman b. Midlothian, Scotland
WEST Grace 27 b. Scotland Outside Census County (1841) Kirkcaldy
WEST Catharine 3 b. Midlothian, Scotland
WEST Mary 3 b. Midlothian, Scotland
WEST Eliza 1 b. Midlothian, Scotland
CLERK George 26 Occ ag lab b. Midlothian, Scotland


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STOBBS, a village in the parishes of Borthwick and Temple, county Edinburgh, Scotland, 6 miles S. of Dalkeith. It is a station on the North British railway. It is situated on the river South Esk. The chief part of the inhabitants are employed in the gunpowder mills, erected in 1794.

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