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Old 11th August 2012, 13:49   #1
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Hi all,

back again, this time with a gold ring and a snuff dispencer, but an unknown family members, any ideas?

I was led to beleive that the snuffer dispencer was owned by the 3rd son of 6th Earl of Coventry?

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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

The Earl of Coventry coat of Arms has very similar characteristics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ea...ventry_coa.png

A wild guess on the Seal, but possiibly Bavarian/German.

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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

But......there are a lot of Scottish Coats of Arms, with Boars heads.

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Thank you for your swift reply...

Looks like the snuff dispencer is something to with the Earl of Coventry

I'm trying to track down the hallmark on the ring, doesn't look English, I don't think? But could be Chester (Three wheatsheaves)?

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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

From what I have found, the date letter 'U', is 1994. The font used, plus the shape of the background of the stamp matches up here. http://www.theassayoffice.co.uk/date_letters.html

I don't believe there is an assay office in Chester, only London, Birmingham, Sheffield & Edinburgh.

But then I don't know much about gold.


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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

There is definitely an Assay office in Sheffield, and Birmingham. There used to be one in Chester. I'm pretty sure there is one in Edinburgh.

Looks like Chester to me.
http://www.thebigworld.co.uk/rare_go..._hallmarks.htm

which puts it before 1962. If it is same as silver the letter is 1745

http://www.925-1000.com/dlc_chester.html

Can't find dating for gold. So obviously not foreign especially as it is also 18 K
There are a huge number of families that have boars heads but I would definitely say snuff carrier was Earl of Coventry as it has cockerel at top
and the crescents which are on the coat of arms of the Earl of Coventry.

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Thank you for the clarification on the snuff dispencer, the stories were true

I wasn't sure if it was 1745 or 1920, but I would go with 1745.
Would there be a list of families with boars as part of their CoA, and then I could see any family named connections?

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There is definitely an Assay office in Sheffield, and Birmingham. There used to be one in Chester. I'm pretty sure there is one in Edinburgh.

Looks like Chester to me.
http://www.thebigworld.co.uk/rare_go..._hallmarks.htm

which puts it before 1962. If it is same as silver the letter is 1745

http://www.925-1000.com/dlc_chester.html

Can't find dating for gold. So obviously not foreign especially as it is also 18 K
There are a huge number of families that have boars heads but I would definitely say snuff carrier was Earl of Coventry as it has cockerel at top
and the crescents which are on the coat of arms of the Earl of Coventry.

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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

I've tried any sources I can find but none have 2 boars. Obviously the coat of arms was in heraldic terms fairly recent as the Earl of Coventry was remade in the 1697 which the snuff box would come from. So is harder to trace as it is after heraldic visitations I have access to.

Heraldic visitations are when the Royal College of Heralds visit a noble family and look at all the documents and establish they have the right to their coat of arms. There are books published for each county listing the families claims by family descent.

Burkes Peerage is the most obvious source but that costs money unless you have a friendly person who will go to their local English Library and look it up for you.

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Thank you for the information.

I actually have a copy of Burke's Peerage, but only the Irish Family version, but I may have to pay as I'm intrigued....

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I've tried any sources I can find but none have 2 boars. Obviously the coat of arms was in heraldic terms fairly recent as the Earl of Coventry was remade in the 1697 which the snuff box would come from. So is harder to trace as it is after heraldic visitations I have access to.

Heraldic visitations are when the Royal College of Heralds visit a noble family and look at all the documents and establish they have the right to their coat of arms. There are books published for each county listing the families claims by family descent.

Burkes Peerage is the most obvious source but that costs money unless you have a friendly person who will go to their local English Library and look it up for you.

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Re: Gold Ring with unknown Coat of Arms?

Blimey Barton.....you related to Fagin in Oliver

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