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Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Births Sep 1844 HARRIS John - Neath 26 428 ms WILLIAMS

Iron Worker/ Baller/Puddler
John travelled to Philadelphia, USA in late 1867 or very early 1868 - arrival in USA not found

1870 US
Home Whitehall Lehigh Pennsylvania
John Harris 26 Puttler? [Puddler] Wales
Martha wife 21 Housekeeper Wales
John son 4 Wales
Ewan (as transcribed could be Evan on image) son 2 Wales


Herbert Bertram b. abt 1875 Philadelphia, PA, USA to John & Martha nee POWELL

Not found in 1880 US census yet although the family is claimed by some to have returned to Wales in 1881. That departure/arrival not yet found.

1881 Wales
RG11 Piece 5353 Folio 112 Page 76
Civil Parish: Clase
County: Glamorgan
Registration District: Swansea
Sub-RD: Llangyfelach
ED: 5b
No of Schedule: 964
Address: Graig
HARRIS John Head Mar 37 Iron Worker (Baller) Skewen Glamorgan
HARRIS Martha Wife Mar 32 Britton Ferry Glamorgan
HARRIS John Son 14 Iron Worker Britton Ferry Glamorgan
HARRIS Evan Son 12 Iron Worker Britton Ferry Glamorgan
HARRIS Bertie Son 6 Scholar America

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Martha
Last nameHarris
Gender Female
Marital status Married
Birth year1 848
Birth place
Death year 1927
Death date 17 Jun 1927
Age at death 79
Death placeWestern Australia
Burial date 20 Jun 1927
Burial place Karrakatta
Spouse's first name(s)John
Spouse's last name Harris
Father's first name(s) Even
Father's last name Powell
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Jones
StateWestern Australia
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HARRIS.—On June 17, 1927, at Perth,
Martha (Nurse, late of Fremantle), relict of
the late John Harris, of Glamorganshire,Wales, and dearly beloved mother of Martha (Mrs Barrett, West Perth), John (Cottesloe),
and Evan and Bert (Sydney), aged 79 years.

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

John
Last name Harris
Birth year 1844
Death year 1920
Registration year 1920
Age at death 76Y
Registration district Auburn
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s)
Mother's first name(s)
Registration number20238
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
SubcategoryCivil Deaths & Burials
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1881
John Harris
Age 37
Estimated birth year:-abt 1844
Relation:-Head
Spouse's Name:-Martha Harris
Gender:-Male
Where born:-Skewen, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish:-Clase
County/Island:-Glamorgan
Country:-Wales
Street address:-Graig
Condition as to marriage:-Married
Occupation:-Iron Worker (Baller)
Registration district:-Swansea
Sub registration district:-Llangyfelach
ED, institution, or vessel:5b
Piece 5353 Folio 112
Page Number:-76
Household Members:
Age
John Harris 37
Martha Harris 32 -cBritton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
John Harris 14 -cBritton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Evan Harris 12 -cBritton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Bertie Harris 6 -c1875 America
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JOHN
Last name HARRIS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year1 865
Registration month
JOHN HARRIS married one of these people
Martha Powell, Ann Howells
District Neath
District number
County Glamorganshire
CountryWales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A

16 Sep 1865

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Thanks Ellie.

Are births in USA available or not on any site?

Seems shipping records have eluded the other researchers of this family.

re marriage:

Daughter's birth certificate has marriage data as 16 Feb 1865 ?

John did not arrive in Australia with Martha and the children. His arrival has not been found.

Martha listed under Single Women with Bertie not as Wife of a person in Colony. The sons are listed under Single Men being aged over 14.

Arrived in Sydney onboard 'North' 24 Dec 1883 with three children but not husband John.
HARRIS Martha 35 and son North 1883 2142
HARRIS Bertie 8 and mother North 1883 2142
HARRIS John 17 North 1883 2142
HARRIS Evan 15 North 1883 2142
Departed Plymouth 22 Sep 1883 Arrived 24 Dec 1883
Single Women
Martha 35 Domestic Servant Glamorgan CofEng Yes
Bertie 8 School America No


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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

There is one public tree that suggests John Sr arrived June 1868, nothing for the rest of the family on that date, though...

That said, there is a Martha [21], John [2], Evan [1] arriving 22 July 1868. Only problem is that last place of residence is England.

So possibly John out first then family followed..

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Thanks Geoff.

Age in various records point to John being born in 1866 but no reg that fits.

I have 9 Apr 1868 for Evan so age 1 does not fit unless that is 1 mo.

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Yeah, I did say possibly from England, coincidence maybe, but probably wrong family..

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

It looks like Martha and the children, with one being Evan.

I've not confirmed the 9 Apr 1868 date. I have some very low res documents for Evan so I'll have a look at them.

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You can double-check HERE..

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Re: Herbert Bertram HARRIS

Thanks Geoff.

Several labourers the right age born England so can't decide which one might be John.

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