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Old 10th June 2017, 02:26   #11
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Re: FURNER family in Brede

Hi

Thanks anyway. The reason I am trying to find this Martha is because I am descended from Levi Lewis Larkin. His parents were William Larkins and Martha Turner who married in Horsmonden, Kent on 27 Mar 1822, even though they were from Brede and Beckley.

We always thought Martha Turner was daughter of Stephen Turner and Martha Catt and was baptised 11 Jul 1802 Brede St George, even though in every census she consistently put her age as one year older than her husband who was baptised 18 Jan 1801 and that her birthplace was Brede.

Then I found the death of Martha Turner, daughter of Stephen and Martha, buried 10 Aug 1805 in Brede St George. Also
Reference: PAR253/32/2/43
Title: Removal order from Brede
Description: Stephen Turner, wife Martha and children Stephen (6) and James (2); to Westfield
Date: 13 Aug 1805

Martha is not mentioned. They did not have another daughter after that either.

That is our big mystery. Who was Martha Turner who married William Larkin?

I checked Levi's death Certificate (1910) and it does look like Turner.

This may be a mystery I can never solve. Would Martha's death certificate give her maiden name? She died in Beckley in 1880.

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Re: FURNER family in Brede

Turner appears many times in records I know should be Furner.

I'm trying to find a copy of a death certificate around 1880.

E Sussex is not easy with so little on-line.

Not on certificates I have before this date.

Deaths Dec 1863 Blackley Jennett [34] Liverpool 8b 50

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No. 458 - Third December 1863 94 New Hedley Street - F - 34 years - Wife of Thomas Blackley Iron Moulder Journeyman - Cancer 15 months Certified - Thomas Blackley present at death 94 New Hedley Street Liverpool - Third December 1863 - Henry Shaw Deputy Registrar


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Re: FURNER family in Brede

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The details contained on a death certificate include:
Name, date and place of death.
Date and place of birth (before 1969 a certificate only showed age of deceased).
Occupation and usual address.
Cause of death.
The person who gave information for the death registration.
Not on the English ones.

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Re: FURNER family in Brede

I have a Jesse CATT born Westfield but he seems not to be around in 1841.

I don't have a Martha CATT.


Furner on one and Turner on the other.

Baptism
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 2967 / Folio 10
Full Name Mary Ann Furner
Date of Baptism 10th September 1826
Gender Female
Date of Birth 5th May 1826
Parish of Abode Maresfield
County of Abode Sussex
Registration Town/County Lewes St John, Sussex
Ceremony Performed By Charles Haydon
Father's Name Charles Furner
Father's Profession Brick Layer
Mother's Name Mary Furner
Maternal Parents Profession James & Mary Waters

Mary Ann Turner
Birth Date: 5 May 1826
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Charles Turner
Mother: Mary Waters
Baptism Date: 10 Sep 1826
Baptism Place: Sussex, England
Denomination: Wesleyan
Piece Title: Piece 2967: Lewes Circuit, Wesleyan Chapel, St Mary's Lane, 1824-1837

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Re: FURNER family in Brede

http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/Horsmonden.html

Not very many named Martha. Mary and Mercy were much more common.

Something is not right.

Removal 1805 with children Stephen and James both baptised Brede.

Sons born after 1805 Francis and Spencer also baptised at Brede ??

Jesse CATT in my tree looks to be a younger brother of Martha.

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Re: FURNER family in Brede

Yes Francis and Spencer Turner were baptised in Brede and both died there in 1810. I think Martha Turner their sister died there in 1805. I do not think she is the Martha Turner who married William Larkin.

I am wondering if in fact it was Martha Furner (dau of William and Susannah Furner) who married him in 1822 in Horsmonden. They had a child, Mary Ann in 1822 baptised 4 months after the wedding and their second child was Henry Nathaniel 1823. All their children were born in Beckley.

Surprisingly on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "International Genealogical Index (IGI)," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MWJB-7RZ : accessed 2017-06-03), entry for Martha Larkins b 1831 and three of her brothers it gives their parents as Martha Ferner Larkins, b 1799 and William Larkins b 1800.

Yes, I see your Jesse Catt b 1785, brother of Martha Catt b 1776 on my tree - only I am not sure now that Stephen and Martha Turner are on my tree. So sad after all the work we have done on that line.

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Re: FURNER family in Brede

Thanks Irene.

I think you have just solved one of my brick walls - what happened to Martha Furner.

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