Heffernan/Heffron/Effson

[barbarajoh]

The above are all names used by my ggg grandmother Anne who was born Ireland and married Richard Blackman of Hambleden, Bucks. I have not found a marriage for them but they had children from 1840 onwards. Richard died before the 1851 census and Anne remarried a George Mascall in 1853. The marriage certificate has her father as Michael Evans, a carman but I think this is prob how the registrar heard the surname she used. Each of her children's birth certificate shows a different form of the name.

Anybody know how I can find out what the name would really be, and how I can possibly find out more about Anne. She had died by the 1861 census.

There is also a child Julia born to a Richard and Anne Blackman of Hambleden in 1832 and died in 1834 which is probably the same couple but no children between 1832 and 1840 that I can find. Richard was a soldier at one time but a labourer in 1841.

Any ideas?

Barbara

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Looking at FS for those three variations 11,500 hits for the first two and 8 for the third. It should be possible to get an idea of the name distribution across Ireland.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Heffron

Do you have age at marriage for Anne? Are you sure Anne remarried in 1853?

Are you sure of the religion of her family? Makes a big difference if you know you are chasing CoI or RC or Presbyterian records and if the north or the south.

I have so many similar cases in my tree. Even with the full names of both parents and the exact date of birth, 1 Jan 1836, and the county, Down, and the religion, Presbyterian, I can't find the birth of a Hamilton ancestor.

Regards,

Dave

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the link.
Yes I have the marriage certificate so I am sure she remarried. She remarried (widow in the condition column) in the Parish Church at Hambleden and her address was Little Freith, Hambleden where she had lived with her children in the 1851 census. The children were baptised in the local church too.

I know, I may never find her but thought it was worth a try putting it on here, you are always scared you are missing something obvious. Her first husband died in the workhouse so I thought she night have been on poor relief but the records don't seem to have survived.

No other Heffrons in the area of any spelling.

I do find it strange that the child Julia is so distanced from Solomon in birth.


Barbara

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Julia seems to fit so perhaps the only explanation is that Richard was away with the army.

Seems the Heffernan / Heffron are almost interchangeable. By the mid 1800s the name seems to be all over central and southern Ireland.

I asked about the remarriage because the author of the only tree HERE (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ajwid01&id=I721) I've found has no remarriage.


Regards,

Dave

[barbarajoh]

Ah Ha, I wondered who that could be. :D I know Tony White and he is related to me - something like 4th cousin! He also has me as "living Blackman" whereas my maiden name was Blackburn not Blackman. I will get in touch and tell him and about Anne's second marriage at the same time. At least it shows I have made some progress since I last talked to him!

Barbara

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

You can use that 'cousin' formula I posted on the KLAUS topic if you like. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

[barbarajoh]

I did get an army record for a Richard Blackman born at the right time but born in Maidstone, Kent. I am not sure it is the right one as I think my Richard is more likely to be part of the Caversham/Shiplake family of Blackmans from Oxfordshire. Of course I could be totally wrong, it has been known! But the proximity of the towns makes it more likely than someone from Kent moving to Bucks.

Richard Blackman born around 1790 in Shiplake was married to Ann Patey in 1811 and then Ann died in 1814 and I reckon he remarried eventually to Anne Heffron. If I could only find their marriage it would help so much.

There is a man staying with the family in 1841, I must try and put it on the decipher page as nobody can read his name.

Barbara

[DaveHam9]

Put it up and someone might be able to read the name.

1814 to 1833 to Julia is a huge gap too.

Strange things happen when someone joins the army and they get posted to odd places. My ANGEL family in Paisley turned out to be strange because there were only a few of them in the whole of the country. I got a copy of the marriage and found he was a soldier born in Devon. eek)

[DaveHam9]

So this one and then Julia in 1833:

name: Thomas Blackman
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Feb 1812
baptism/christening place: Hambleden, Buckingham, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Blackman
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I05821-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1967097
reference number:

If it is the same Richard with a different spouse Ann then he must have been out of the country with the army and then away again after 1833.

Does the service record of the Richard from Kent fit that?

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for that, a good Xmas present. A possible new relation. I haven't found Thomas before and neither did a researcher down there I used at one time.

Richard Blackman married Anne Patey in Caversham 29th December 1811 by Licence. No wonder if she was that far pregnant. An Ann Blackman was buried in Caversham in 1814 aged 28 (1786) and Anne daughter of James and Sarah Patey was born September 1785. Richard was 54 to Anne Heffron's 27 in 1814 but the kids born to them had father Richard and mother Anne.

I will email you the military record. Perhaps you can make more sense of it than I could but he was def in India from 1815 to 1827 and in the army before that. I am not good on army records or how to figure out where diff regiments are at different times but it is certainly looking now like Richard could have come from Kent.

Thanks for your help with this Dave, much appreciated.

Barbara

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Received the two files, thanks, but my computer thinks they are part of a movie. :D

Regards,

Dave