Magdalene Brown look up please

[Dibsie]

Would someone be kind enough to look at the 1891 census please? I think the above (born c1875) was living, along with her sister Alice E and brother Thomas W, with Edward & Emily Brown & their family in Holborn. I just wondered whether the census shows her relationship to them.

Many thanks

[davelambert271]

Not who you expected

SCOTT, Robert Head Married M 38 1853 Brewers Brayman London
SCOTT, Harriet Wife Married F 36 1855 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire
BROWN, Alice E Daughter Single F 19 1872 Tailoress Camden Town London
BROWN, Thomas W Son Single M 17 1874 Kitchen Porter Somers Town London
BROWN, Magdalene E Daughter Single F 15 1876 Somers Town London

RG number:RG12 Piece:218 Folio:177 Page:16

Registration District: Holborn
Sub District: St George the Martyr

Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George The Municipal Borough:
Address: 20, Lambs Conduit Passage, St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars And St George The, London

dave

[davelambert271]

Hi Dibsie
This is the next entry on the census, It is the same address.

BROWN, Edward Head Married M 43 1848 Carpenter Paddington London
BROWN, Emily Wife Married F 40 1851 Fur Sewer Hereford
BROWN, Charles Son Single M 18 1873 Medical Porter Holborn London
BROWN, William Son Single M 16 1875 Fish Monger Holborn London
BROWN, Ernest Son M 11 1880 Scholar Holborn London
BROWN, Emily Daughter F 1 1890 HolbornLondon

RG number:RG12 Piece:218 Folio:177 Page:16

Registration District: Holborn
Sub District: St George the Martyr

Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George The Municipal Borough:
Address: 20, Lambs Conduit Passage, St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars And St George The, London
dave

[Dibsie]

No, but definitely makes more sense!

Many thanks

[p.risboy]

SCOTT, Harriet Wife Married F 36 1855 Aylesbury Buckinghamshire.

Do you have her maiden name, I might be able to help further with Harriett if your interested.;):)

Steve.:)

[Dibsie]

Hi Steve

Yes please, any help will be gratefully received!

I believe Harriett's maiden name was Jenkins. She married my great great grandfather, Henry Brown, in 1870. They had 3 children - Alice Elizabeth (b 19/02/1872), Thomas William (b 06/10/1873) and my great grandmother, Magdalene Hetty (known as Hetty or Etty on some records & b 15/11/1875). Henry died, aged 30, in 1877 and Harriett married Robert Scott in 1881.

From the family bible that my aunt has, Harriett was b 09/08/1849 so the dob on the 1891 census is a bit out but all the other details are correct.

Many thanks
Debbie

[p.risboy]

Hi Debbie.

This family are quite elusive. But.......!!!!

1871 Census.

Thomas W Jenkins
Age: 21
abt 1850

Father - William Jenkins
Mother -Magdalene Jenkins
Born - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecc. Par - St Stephen
London

Reg Dist -Pancras
Sub-reg. Camden Town
ED - 8

William Jenkins - 45. Occ. Railway Gaurd. b.Stogumber, Somerset.
Magdalene Jenkins -52. b.Broomfield, Somerset.
Thomas W Jenkins - 21.
Henrietta Jenkins** -17. b.1854. St.Pancras.
Alice Jenkins -10. b.St.Pancras.

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St.Mary's Aylesbury - Baptism. - 5 Apr 1850 Thomas William son of William & Magdalen JENKINS of Aylesbury, Railway Porter.

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Here is a strange one though......St.Mary's Baptism - 3 Oct 1847 Harriet daughter of William & Jemima JENKINS of Aylesbury, Railway Porter.:)

I don't think this your Harriet, unless there's been a mistake somewhere, regrading age and mother.eek)


Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

Now the plot really thickens.eek)eek)

1861 census.

William Jenkins
Age: 36
abt 1825

Spouse - Magdaline Jenkins

Born: Stogumber, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Eccl parish: Pancras
Middlesex

Address - 48, Clarence Sqr.

Reg - Pancras
Sub-reg - Somers Town
ED - 4

William Jenkins - 36. Occ.Railguard.
Magdaline Jenkins -40
Harriett Jenkins -13 b.Aylesbury, Bucks.
Henrietta Jenkins** -7
Matilda Jenkins - 5
Alice Jenkins - 6 MO
William Jenkins -38. (Visitor). b.Broomfield, Somerset. Occ. Farmer.:rolleyes:


Broomfield isn't far from Stogumber.;)



Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

Hmmmmm.:D:D:D

1851 census.

Harriet Jenkins
Age: 3
abt 1848

Granddaughter.

Born - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
Civil parish: West Quantoxhead
Somerset

Address - Westcombe Lodge.

Reg dist - Williton
Sub-reg - Minehead
ED - 1

Betty Jenkins - 48. (Widow).b.Stogursey, Somerset. Occ.Retired Farmer.
Harriet Jenkins - 3.
Elizabeth Mockridge - 42. b.Taunton, Somerset. (Unmarried - Annuitant).


The thick plottens.eek)

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1841 census (Maybe).

Betty Jenkins
Age: 40
abt 1801

Born - Somerset.
Civil parish: Stogumber
Hundred: Williton and Freemanners
Somerset

Address - Town.

Reg dist - Williton
Sub-reg - Stogumber

Thomas Jenkins 50. Occ.Farmer.
Betty Jenkins 40
William Jenkins 16
John Jenkins 14
Thomas Jenkins 12
Charles Jenkins 9

All born in county.



Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

So.....did Henrietta**, become Harriett.:D:Deek)

Also, in 1861 census, I would think Harriett c1848.Aylesbury is a niece, and not a daughter. Quite common that. Or William Jenkins, 'played away' with Jemima.eek)

OR...William was married to Jemima, before Magdelen.eek)eek)

I think you need to order this cert, to find mothers maiden name..

Harriet Jenkins
Jul-Aug-Sep 1847
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Vol - 6
P - 292



Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

I think the Harriett Jenkins b1847.Aylesbury, is yours.;):)

Age on marriage cert adds up.

Harriet Jenkins
Age: 23
abt 1847
Spouse -Henry Brown. age 23. Occ. Brass Finisher.
Marriage.
Date -13 Nov 1870
Camden Church, Camberwell
County - Surrey
Borough - Southwark
Father - William Jenkins. Occ. Railway Guard.
Spouse Father's name - George Brown.



Steve.:)

[Dibsie]

Many thanks for all this information, Steve. I shall go away and digest it all.

Debbie :)

PS Elusive is probably the politest way to describe my ancestors - they're certainly keeping me on my toes!

[p.risboy]

Many thanks for all this information, Steve. I shall go away and digest it all.

Debbie :)

PS Elusive is probably the politest way to describe my ancestors - they're certainly keeping me on my toes!

I think there are two William Jenkins, and maybe cousins.;)

But I would order the Aylesbury. 1847 birth cert for sure.

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.:)


Steve.:)

[Dibsie]

I think there are two William Jenkins, and maybe cousins.;)

But I would order the Aylesbury. 1847 birth cert for sure.

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.:)


Steve.:)

Harriet's birth certificate arrived in today's post.

Her father is shown as William Jenkins, a Railway Porter, which ties up with what I had. Her mother, however, is shown as Magdelen Jenkins, formerly Jenkins:confused:

[p.risboy]

Harriet's birth certificate arrived in today's post.

Her father is shown as William Jenkins, a Railway Porter, which ties up with what I had. Her mother, however, is shown as Magdelen Jenkins, formerly Jenkins:confused:

Hi Debbie.

What is Harriet's actual birth date, and address where born.?

The baptism I found in Aylesbury, in 1847 was 3 Oct 1847. (William & Jemima).

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There is also a marriage for William Jenkins to Magdalene Jenkins A/M/J 1847 - St.Lukes, London. Were they cousins.

William Jenkins
Apr-May-Jun 1847
Reg dist St Luke
London
Vol 2
Page 281

In 1851 Census, William & Magdalene have their son Thomas William Jenkins b.1850 Aylesbury. Living at 15, Johnson Street, St.Pancras.

This would explain maiden name of JENKINS on the birth cert.

But it doesn't explain the names at the baptism of Harriet, as William & Jemima. (I think there has been a mistake transcribing).



Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

However........!!:rolleyes:

1841 census.

May Delane Jenkins
Age: 15
abt 1826.
Born - Somerset
Civil parish: Broomfield
Hundred: Andersfield
Somerset

Address - Parsonage.

Reg dist-Bridgwater
Sub-reg-North Petherton

Elizabeth Jenkins 60. Occ.Farmer.
Elizabeth Jenkins 20
Charles Jenkins 30
May Delane Jenkins 15
Hariet Jenkins 10
William Jenkins 20.

All born in County.



Steve.:)

[p.risboy]

1881 census.

Magadelene Jenkins is a widow, and son Thomas W. Jenkins c.1850 Aylesbury, is a Railway Audit clerk, and unmarried. And they are living at Yates Cottage, Llanover Rd. Harrow on the Hill.

Phew.:o:o

Steve.:)

[Dibsie]

Harriet was born on 9th August 1847 at Bierton Road, Aylesbury (which isn't far from me at all!). The birth was registered on 5th September so the baptism date looks to be correct. I wonder what they were doing in Aylesbury though:confused:

[p.risboy]

Hi Debbie.

It was obviously railway related why they were there. But Aylesbury station didn't open until 1863.

Bicester in Oxfordshire opened it's station 10 years earlier, and Banbury station opened around the same time.

Leighton Buzzard station opened even earlier, around 1840 or so.

So, were they en route from one town to the next with railway connections, and maybe changing jobs between railway companies.

If you have a look at the various Railway stations that I've mentioned, and the history of them, you can understand the possibilities.

From London, there were quite a choice of routes going north. Obviously London was the main 'attraction', but from there, your world was your oyster, so to speak.

There is also a possibility, that they had another child in Aylesbury.

Burial - 30 May 1849. Elizabeth Ann JENKYNS aged 7w of Aylesbury.

I cannot find a baptism for her though, nor another appropriate family to attribute her to.

But......a possible.!!

Death reg.

Elizabeth Ann Jenkyns
Oct-Nov-Dec 1849
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6
Page: 252

There are also two possible birth regs for her though.

Same details, but 4 pages apart, and under the name of JENKINS.

Elizabeth Ann Jenkins
Apr-May-Jun 1849
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Vol-6
P-354

Elizabeth Ann Jenkins
Apr-May-Jun 1849
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
Vol-6
P-350
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There also appears to be another tree with the same family interests. (Meakin Tree).



Steve.:)

[Dibsie]

Thanks for all this info.

Can I just ask one, probably daft, question? How do you know that there's another tree with the same family interests?

[p.risboy]

Thanks for all this info.

Can I just ask one, probably daft, question? How do you know that there's another tree with the same family interests?

This tree is on Ancestree, but there does not appear to be any sourced citations.

But according to the tree, it goes back to a marriage between John Jenkins & Joan Custine in West Quantoxhead, 28 Jan. 1690. And further back to Symon Jenkins c1536.

I found this when I was searching for Elizabeth Ann JENKYNS c1849. Aylesbury.


Steve.:)