Another MARTIN family

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A different MARTIN family.

Samuel MARTIN b. abt 1865 ? Creswick d. 1934 ?

married 1890 Creswick

Delphine May DOUGLAS b. abt 1869 Wimmera d. 1935 Melbourne

E/R 1903 & 1906 Perth, WA ? 1924 Kooyong 1931 Balaclava

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I'm not sure but I hope this is the right one:

Possible birth and death for Samuel MARTIN to parents James & Bridget nee HYDE. Born 1865 (reg 22803), died 1934 in Elwood aged 68 (reg 6902).

James & Bridget married in Melbourne in 1849.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) Wednesday 8 August 1934 p 1 Family Notices
DEATH NOTICE (AGE sixty-eight)


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Samuel Martin
Father's name: James Martin
Mother's name: Bridget Hyde
Birth Place: King, Victoria
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 22803


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949
Name: Saml Martin
Spouse Name: May Delphine Douglas
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Number: 7291


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Lionel Sam Douglas Martin
Father's name: Sam Martin
Mother's name: Delphine May Douglas
Birth Place: Caulfield, Victoria
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 11938


Two trees have parents as James & Bridget.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

Do we have something that proves the trees are correct? Such as parent and son together in E/R :D (unlikely) or ...

I'd better go get a copy of the death notice. :)

Ok, it took me ages to get the notice to come up. :D I'll accept that as proof. :)

Lionel was the first of 4 children.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Sorry, trees have deaths for Bridget 1868 & James 1899.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

I was joking about the parents in the E/R. The death notice did the trick. ;)

George Leonard Douglas MARTIN b. 1901 Subiaco

E/R 1924 & 1936 Kooyong & Balaclava
E/R 1942 & 1954 Flinders

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

1936 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - St Kilda Central
MARTIN Ronald Hampton Douglas, 181 Brighton rd., teacher
MARTIN Aline Boyne Bland, 181 Brighton rd., home duties

1943 VIC Electoral Roll - Kooyong - Camberwell
MARTIN Ronald Hampton Douglas, 132 Toorak rd., E.6, teacher

Ronald and Boyne both died after 1980. I have their deaths.

E/R 1931 Balaclava

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

1936 VIC Electoral Roll – Batman – Northcote
PEARCE Ethel Vivienne, 177 Fulham rd., home duties
PEARCE Louisa, 177 Fulham rd., home duties

Louisa died in Smiths Gully in 1947.

Please see if you can find Louisa in 1942. Thanks.

I'm having problems finding Smiths Gully in E/R in 1942. Of course Louisa may have moved from Northcote after 1942. ???

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I doubt very much it's Ballarat for Louisa. And not Corio either.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Saturday 30 August 1947 p.11
DEATHS
PEARCE.-On August 10, at Goldmans rd., Smith's Gully, Louisa, wife of the late William A. Pearce, loving mother of Arthur and Ethel (Mrs. Griffiths), grandmother of Wilma, aged 77 years.

First of 2 children:

Arthur George PEARCE b. 1892 Northcote d. 1956 Hartwell ?

1914 VIC Electoral Roll – Bourke – Ivanhoe
PEARCE Arthur George, Maltravers rd., Ivanhoe, jeweller

1919 VIC Electoral Roll – Batman - Delbridge
PEARCE Arthur George, 179 McKean st., N. F., postal assistant

N. F. = North Fitzroy :)

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Enlisted Melbourne, Vic. 24 Feb 1915 - S/N 638 23rd Bn - 22 yrs Jeweller - NOK father Pearce William Arthur living at Maltravers Rd Ivanhoe, Vic. - Embarked HMAT A14 'Euripides' 10 May 1915 - Served at Gallipoli - Hospital for hernia - Returned to Australia - Discharged 8 Jun 1916
Imperial War Graves Commission asked by NOK on 23 Aug 1956 to place ashes of ex-serviceman.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Oh, he didn't stay a jeweller.

A sibling.

Ethel Vivian PEARCE b. 1894 Northcote d. 1962 ?

1919 VIC Electoral Roll – Batman - Delbridge
PEARCE Ethel Vivienne, 179 McKean st., N. Fitzroy, home duties

married in Vic. probably

GRIFFITHS ??

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Ethel Vivienne PEARCE 1919-1954 e/r's. Can't see a marriage.

1924 same address as Arthur George the postal assistant.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

The marriage was either and/or very late and/or in another state:

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Saturday 30 August 1947 p.11
DEATHS
PEARCE.-On August 10, at Goldmans rd., Smith's Gully, Louisa, wife of the late William A. Pearce, loving mother of Arthur and Ethel (Mrs. Griffiths), grandmother of Wilma, aged 77 years.


1943-1954 Deakin

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

I think the trainee nurse with the names reversed must be someone else.

1943-1954 Deakin

Ethel Vivienne Griffiths 1943 Victoria Deakin

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

There is another PEARCE family in Victoria. Another William Arthur PEARCE married in 1895 to Fanny.

1909 VIC Electoral Roll - Bourke - Preston
PEARCE Fanny, West street, Preston, home duties
PEARCE William Arthur, West street, Preston, letter carrier

I don't know if it's coincidence or not but Vivienne Ethel could be their daughter. Or perhaps the families are related in some way and the names come from a previous generation.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Not listed on 'A' Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949

Checked VIC bdm online

marriage 1941 Ethel Vivienne PEARCE to a GRIFFITHS.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Ok, thanks.

I can't find a tree with Ethel.

No sign of Ethel as GRIFFITHS in Springvale.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Ethel Vivienne Griffiths 1943 Victoria Deakin

She's on her own so hard to tell.:rolleyes:

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Ethel was a Mrs GRIFFITHS in her mother's notice so I'd say that's probably her in Deakin. What's the cut-off date for the death index? I wonder if the 1962 death is correct and if she is still a GRIFFITHS. :confused:

And, where did I get 1962 from. :D

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Ethel Vivienne Griffiths
Name: Ethel Vivienne Griffiths
Death Place: Heidelberg, Victoria
Age: 79
Registration Year: 1973
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 14448

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

Well, I don't care where I got the 1962 date from. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Alice Elizabeth MARTIN b. 1888 St Peters d. 1971 St Marys

married 1939 Granville

Gustavus Stanthorpe NEWTON b. 1874 Qld. d. 1956 Auburn

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Ah. Ethel is at Smiths Gully where her mother died.

Two entries. :)

Louisa Pearce 1943 Victoria Deakin city

Louisa Pearce 1943 Victoria Deakin city

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Louisa Pearce Female 1943 Victoria Deakin Yea
Louisa Pearce Female 1943 Victoria Deakin Doncaster

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. :2fun: Of course two of them. Well, I suppose Doncaster.


This one is a real problem:

Elizabeth TRELOAR b. 1875 Timor d. 1933 Goulburn

married 1903 Narrandera

Francis L MARTIN b. ? d. ?

----------------
Not this one

Death # 10478/1937 MARTIN FRANCIS LESLIE JOHN MARIA THERESA NEWTOWN

Death notice - Spouse Florence

Marriage # 487/1920 MARTIN FRANCIS L ROMAYNE FLORENCE SYDNEY

----------------
Not this one

Death # 8289/1928 MARTIN FRANCIS L JAMES ELIZABETH WOOLLAHRA

Name: Francis Leslie Martin
Spouse Name: Jessie Isabell Norris
Marriage Date: 9 May 1899 Qld.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll-DRUMMOYNE—DRUMMOYNE POLING-PLACE
2712 MARTIN Francis Leslie, Lyons-road, merchant
2714 MARTIN Jessie Isabel, Lyons-road, domestic duties

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave
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[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Perhaps an impossible task if Elizabeth is in E/R as just Elizabeth MARTIN without spouse. Unless she was the only one in Narrandera or Goulburn.

The marriage reg just has Francis L.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Take your pick.:confused::biggrin:

Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Lang Marrickville West
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Hunter Wallsend West
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Macquarie Richmond
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Newcastle Hamilton
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Parramatta Hornsby
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Reid Auburn
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales West Sydney Glebe
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales South Sydney Randwick East
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Robertson Paterson
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Robertson Paterson
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales South Sydney Waterloo
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Barton Kingsgrove
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Cook Botany
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Newcastle Stockton
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Macquarie Katoomba
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Parkes Earlwood
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Parkes Croydon Park
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Parkes Ashfield
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales North Sydney North Sydney
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Riverina Ardlethan
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Darling Broken Hill North
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Dalley Leichhardt
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Dalley Leichhardt
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Dalley Leichhardt East
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Calare Grenfell
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Calare Orange
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Cook Mascot
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Dalley Leichhardt
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Newcastle Newcastle
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Barton Bexley
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales West Sydney Toxteth
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales South Sydney Redfern
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Eden Monaro Bombala
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Martin Gladesville
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Martin Gladesville
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Richmond Lismore
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Richmond Kyogle
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Werriwa Woonona
Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales East Sydney Paddington

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Yes. Well. :2fun:

This might help. Perhaps not with an early marriage if it's Hay.

21941/1904 MARTIN VIOLET L M FRANCIS L ELIZABETH GERMANTON

Either of these.

12367/1926 DE BROUGHE JOHN A MARTIN VIOLET L HAY
12367/1926 BROUGHE JOHN A D MARTIN VIOLET L HAY
12367/1926 BROUGHE JOHN A DE MARTIN VIOLET L HAY
12367/1926 DEBROUGHE JOHN A MARTIN VIOLET L HAY

4687/1936 JACKSON HAROLD MCKAY MARTIN VIOLET HELEN MAY URANA


Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

This is the closest I'd say:

Elizabeth Martin Female 1930 New South Wales Riverina Ardlethan

I think Hay is too far away. If the JACKSON had been Riverina Ardlethan.

If you could, ... oh Elizabeth died in 1933 so 1936 is no use.

It's probably the JACKSON one so I'm trying to find Violet in 1930 and/or 1933 before she married.

Violet Helen May JACKSON but not Violet Helen May MARTIN.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. That looks like a different family in Ardlethan.

If only we knew Violet L M was Violet Helen May.

I can't see any Violet MARTIN in 1930 or 1933 that fits. I can't see a death either.

I'd say we are stuck.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

How about 1913 Francis L & Elizabeth MARTIN ??

I'm trying to find Yass and Germanton.

Ok Yass = Yass redf)

I was hoping to limit your search to 2 Districts.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Finally found what I wanted.

Yass - Yass

Albury - Germanton

Goulburn - City, East, South, North

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

If no luck there then we are done.

I can't see a death for Francis.

I can't find any tree that has Elizabeth or her parents Thomas TRELOAR & Jane GRIBBLE.

Here is Jane:

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll-MURRUMBIDGEE-NARRANDERA POLLING-PLACE
1709 TRELOAR Jane, Ferrier-street, domestic duties


Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

No sign of a Francis L.:rolleyes:

1913 N.S.W ELECTORAL ROLL - MURRUMBIDGEE—NARRANDERA POLLING-PLACE
1135 Martin Elizabeth Newtown domestic duties

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks,

That could be the one. The best we can manage.

That's it for this topic.

Regards,

Dave

[bgsdwp]

Good Afternoon Dave,
Stinking Hot downunder! I am researecher for The Ballarat & Queen's Anglican Grammar School. We are researching our early families that have had their sons enrolled at the school. One of first boys was Ronald Hampden Douglas Martin (b.1904, Woomelang, Victoria, Aust). I am interested in any details of his life, death, career, anything really. If you can help - that would be most fantastic! I have stumbled onto a line of inquiry following his brother Lionel. Hope you assist! Thanks David Perrin

[DaveHam9]

Hello David,

welcome to FHUK.

It's warming up here in Sydney with forecast for increasing temperatures over the next few days.

I can help you a bit. He was not born in Victoria and he married one of my ancestors. :)

Birth # 6173 MARTIN RONALD HAMPTON DOUGL SAMUEL DOUGLAS DELPHINE MAY SUBIACO 1904

Can't find a service record

1931 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - St Kilda Central
MARTIN Ronald Hampton D., 39 Southey st., teacher

Married 1935 Malvern, Vic.

1936 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - St Kilda Central
MARTIN Ronald Hampton Douglas, 181 Brighton rd., teacher
MARTIN Aline Boyne Bland, 181 Brighton rd., home duties

1943 VIC Electoral Roll - Kooyong - Camberwell
MARTIN Ronald Hampton Douglas, 132 Toorak rd., E.6, teacher


Surname: MARTIN
Given Names: Ronald Hampton D
Father: Samuel
Mother: Dephine
Death Place: MELB
Age: 79
Age Code:
Year: 1984
Reg Number: 15373
Event: D

Cemetery SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY
Given Names RONALD HAMPTON DOUGLAS
Surname MARTIN
Religion UNITING CHURCH
Date of Service 28/06/1984
Date of Death 25/06/1984
Age 79
Date of Birth 14/09/1904
Burial Type CREMATED
Location Details PITTOSPORUM, INDIVIDUAL ROSE, GARDEN F2 BED 20 ROSE 102
Public Grave Y/N N
Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY - FOR ALL TIME

I don't have much more on Ronald but do have details of his spouse.

Regards,

Dave