McLUCKIE family

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Connected to MALCOLM by marriage.

Ann McLUCKIE b. 1841 d. 1911

E/R 1905 Brisbane 1908 Oxley

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Robert McLUCKIE b. 1864 d. 1929 Qld.

married 1913 Qld

Sarah Catherine JOHNSON b. 1870 d. 1951 Qld.

1925 QLD Electoral Roll – Lilley - Windsor
McLUCKIE Robert, Ardra, Marne rd., Wooloowin, warehouse manager
McLUCKIE Sarah Catherine, Ardra, Marne rd., Wooloowin, home duties


Please see what you can find after 1925. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Robert Alexander McLUCKIE b. 1914 d. 2000 Qld.

married ? after 1934 probably close of QLD. Index

Mary Theresa UNKNOWN b. ? d. 1980 Qld.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

William Kerr McLUCKIE b. 1874 d. 1955 Qld.

married 1901 Qld.

Alice Kitty Cairns COOKSLEY b. 1878 d. aft 1954

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Alexander William McLUCKIE b. 1902

Alice Catherine McLUCKIE b. 1907

Nancy McLUCKIE b. 1911

All in Lilley.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'll be back in a few hours.

Robert Douglas McLUCKIE b. 1906

married 1934 Qld.

Katherine Hope COLEMAN

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

1913 QLD Electoral Roll - Lilley - Windsor
McLUCKIE Jeanet, McLennan st., Albion, home duties

Janet/Jeanet died in 1950 in Brisbane.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave


Found a Nancy CRIBB in 1943 Lilley-Toombul, same address as siblings, will check later e/r's.

CRIBB Nancy 126 Adelaide st, Clayfield home duties (on her own)

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

CRIBB ??? Let me ask my father. :2fun: No, no recollection. eek)

That would explain Nancy not being in E/R later as McLUCKIE. :D

Birth: 1910/22379 Allen Bevan Foote Cribb Benjamin Foote Eleanor Selkirk Cottew

Still looking.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Of course. :2fun:

REV ARTHUR WILLIAM CRIBB:
CMS Missionary, Foochow, China; St Mary's Whitechapel; Vicar of St Thomas, Stepney and Vicar of Shipley.

The tree has no marriage and no death for Allen.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Jeanet McLuckie Female 1905 Queensland Brisbane Albion
Jeanet McLuckie Female 1908 Queensland Oxley Windsor
Jeanet McLuckie Female 1913 Queensland Lilley Windsor

nothing for Jeanet/Janet after 1913 is this Jeanie/Jennie

Jeanie McLuckie Female 1925 Queensland Moreton Ipswich
Jeanie McLuckie Female 1936 Queensland Maranoa Inglewood
Jennie McLuckie Female 1943 Queensland Moreton Ipswich
Jennie McLuckie Female 1949 Queensland Oxley Ipswich
Jeanie McLuckie Female 1954 Queensland Oxley Ipswich

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

It is a bit confusing. There is this one:

Brisbane Courier - 19 Sep 1890 p.7
HAMILTON - McLUCKIE. - On the 9th September, at Wickham terrace Presbyterian Church, by the Rev. G.D. Buchanan, BA., William eldest son of William Hamilton of Cork, Ireland, to Jeanie second daughter of the late Alexander McLuckie of Castlecomer, Ireland.

and then there is a younger sister baptised Janet and this is her death:

# 1950/B28434 McLuckie Janet Alexander Ann Malcolm

She is the one listed as Jeanet in 1905, 1908 & 1913. She didn't marry so I expected to see her listed up to 1949. :confused:

I don't have another one in my tree and there is no birth to 1914 for another that I'm missing so it must be the same one and some error for still being on the roll in 1954 ??? Any occupation?

No McLUCKIE to be found in Qld. in NLA after 1939. - Damn.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Well now. :D I'm really confused. I thought all the McLUCKIEs in Qld. were mine. :2fun:

Death: 1952/1827 Thomas McLuckie - David - Mary Millar

There is no David in my tree. :rolleyes:

So Jeanie after 1913 is not mine so we don't have to explain the 1954 E/R. But, the one in my tree did die in Qld. in 1950, so he was not on the roll in later years.

Death 1924/1709 Mary Miller McLuckie - Thomas McLuckie Jeanie Harriott

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I can't see the marriage of Thomas or David in Qld. or NSW. I don't have a Thomas or a David anywhere in my tree. I'll have to search some more to rule them out. :) Oh, there is a John McLUCKIE with first spouse's mother's maiden name BUCHANAN. They lived with his future spouse and her mother's maiden name was also BUCHANAN. One of the children of the 2nd marriage ended up in NZ and one was a David, born 1860 Lanark. Nothing on that to say David left Scotland. I wonder if those two were 1/2 sisters to be living together with John. ??? We may have to return to Scotland to look at another part of the tree. :D


1925 QLD Electoral Roll - Lilley - Windsor
McLUCKIE Rebecca, Ardra, Marne rd., Wooloowin, home duties

Rebecca died in 1955 in NSW.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Margaret McLUCKIE b. 1879 Ireland d. 1939 N Sydney

married 1908 Qld.

Charles Thomas RICHARDSON b. 1878 Qld. d. 1941 Mosman, NSW

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - Monday 16 March 1857 p.4
DIED. On the 8th December, of cholera, at Doveton College, Calcutta, Mary, wife of Thomas McLuckie, Esq., and sister to Mr. John S. Miller, Scotch College, Eastern Hill.

That's the only McLUCKIE / MILLER marriage found so far.

David married Mary MILLAR / MILLER somewhere and they had a son Thomas who married Jeanie HARRIOTT somewhere. Sounds like progress. :D Very little progress actually. I can't find either marriage or any births for either couple in Qld. or NSW. And I can't find them in any tree.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

1934 QLD Electoral Roll - Kennedy - Atherton
MARNANE Bessie, Coombra, Atherton, home duties

Bessie (Elizabeth) died in 1942 in Brisbane.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Ann Malcolm McLUCKIE b. 1870 d. 1928 NSW

married 1894 Qld.

John LEDLIE b. 1865 d. 1942 Herberton, Qld.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Edith Margaret RICHARDSON b. 1909 d. 1977 Balgowlah

married 1937

Hubert Willis TOMLINSON b. 1908 Carlisle d. 1946 N Sydney

2nd # 15692/1953 THEARSTONE CHARLES WILLIAM TOMLINSON EDITH MARGARET NORTH SYDNEY


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Oakley Charles RICHARDSON b. 1912 Qld. d. 1988 Manly Vale, NSW

E/R 1933 Warringah

married 1947

Ena Belle DUGAN b. 1918 Narromine d. ?

Parents marriage # 15296/1912 DUGAN CECIL M E CRAWFORD EMILY J PARKES

Not this one
28345/1975 RICHARDSON EDNA BELLE HENRY WILLIAM ISABELLA

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Charles Oakley RICHARDSON b. 1856 England d. 1905 Hobart

married 1877

Mary Anderson JAMES b. 1854 d. 1910 Brisbane

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Mary Ettie RICHARDSON b. 1883 Qld. d. 1932 Mosman

married 1910 Qld.

Ernest Augustus CURRAN b. 1870 Ballarat d. 1935 Waverley

E/R Qld. & NSW

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Samuel Graham LEDLIE b. 1858 d. 1914 Normanton

married 1889

Catherine Emily BELL b. 1868 d. 1916 Burketown

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I think Charles Oakley RICHARDSON married a cousin. :D We will have to investigate further. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Robert Johnson LEDLIE b. 1873 Qld. d. 1951 Newcastle, NSW

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

1936 QLD Electoral Roll – Kennedy - Atherton
MARNANE Margaret Isabel, Coombra, Atherton, home duties
MARNANE Maurice William, Atherton, farmer


Please see what you can find after 1936. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm currently searching to see if any siblings or the parents of Charles Oakley RICHARDSON came to Australia. He DID marry his cousin. :D


1934 QLD Electoral Roll - Kennedy - Atherton
MARNANE Malcolm Alexander, Atherton, farmer

Enlisted Cairns, Qld. 18 Jun 1940 - S/N QX7828 Sapper 2/7 Field Coy - NOK brother Marnane Maurice - Discharged 6 Dec 1945

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Looks like Charles Oakley was the only one to arrive with a mob of the JAMES family 7 Feb 1877 and married on 29 Dec 1877.


John Edmund MARNANE b. 1896 d. 1975 NZ

married 1919

Jean Short IRVING b. 1891 d. 1985 NZ

E/R Qld. & Vic.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. This is the mother of the JAMES children. Her spouse Thomas Francis JAMES died 1861-1871 going by the census.

Mary Anderson JAMES d. 1922 Brisbane

Death # 1922/37460 James Mary Anderson William Yates Mary Anderson

I don't understand why there is an entry for 1925 ???

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Curious. I wonder how she managed to be on the roll in 1925. :D

Harriette Alice is a daughter born in England.

Births Jun 1862
JAMES Harriette Alice W Derby 8b _85

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Robert MARNANE b. 1900 Qld. d.?

married 1928 Qld.

Valmai Noreen BEAMAN b. 1906 Qld d. ?

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Oakley Anderson RICHARDSON b. 1889 Qld. d. 1930 Qld.

married 1912 Qld.

Eileen Caroline EVANS b. 1893 Qld. d. 1922 Qld.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Martha Lily RICHARDSON b. 1881 d. 1923 Qld.

married 1911 Qld.

Miles Alexander BRYCE b. abt 1881 where ? d. Oct 1943

Death # 1943/61991 Bryce Miles Alexander Thomas Janet Menzies

Toowong Cemetery
Bryce Thomas 17 / 01 / 1928 52 years ???
Bryce Janet 19 / 06 / 1915 72 years
Bryce Miles Alexander 14 / 10 / 1943 62 years

Marriage # 1866/01851 Bryce Thomas Menzies Janet

Can see several births in Qld. but not one for Miles.
8 children and a gap between 1877 & 1883.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Last one for this topic. I've had even less luck with this one.

Helen RICHARDSON b. 1885 d. ?

E/R 1913 Brisbane and after that ??

married 1912 Qld.

William James CATHERWOOD b. ? d. ?

A William James in Vic. married to a Dorothea Everett (nee WEST).

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm not sure about William James. I think I'd better arrange some BMD look ups in Victoria.

I know one family we have not looked at yet - HARRIS. :D

Actually, I have two different HARRIS families in my tree. Double the pleasure or is it pain. :2fun:
Of course there is a Martha or two. :rolleyes:

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

A footnote:

1865 MCLUCKIE ELIZABETH KERR F BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/03 1633

In Normanton John [LEDLIE] was employed by Burns, Philip & Co. In 1891 after a short term at the company’s branches in Thursday Island and Port Moresby, New Guinea he moved to Herberton where he joined the staff of Jack & Newell (established 1882). Also on the staff there were sisters Annie (from an Irish record “Go Lucky”) and Elizabeth Kerr (Bessie) McLuckie, both milliners.

Bessie married William Marnane in 1893 and they settled and developed “Coombra”, Atherton (12 miles from Herberton) – a farm and cattle property of a deep, rich, red volcanic soil, bounded on the eastern side by Mazlin Creek and on the western side by the Great Dividing Range.

Contrary to a statement in “History of Queensland, Its People and Industries – William Marnane, J.P.” to the effect that Bessie’s late father Alexander McLuckie was “an Irishman and a scion of an old County Kilkenny family” the McLuckies were in fact Scottish (staunch Presbyterians) from Rutherglen, Lanarkshire.

1930 QLD Electoral Roll – Kennedy - Atherton
MARNANE Bessie, Coombra, Atherton, home duties

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

1924 VIC Electoral Roll - Wannon - Warrnambool
MARNANE John Edmund, 10 Mickle st., W'bool, bank officier
MARNANE Jean Short, 10 Mickle st., W'bool, home duties

Aug 1932 Bank of NSW Shepparton, Vic.

E/R 1931 Echuca Thanks. ;)

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I've sent off a request for BMD look ups in Victoria re William James CATHERWOOD.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

The Queenslander - Saturday 13 September 1913
DEATHS
CATHERWOOD.-On the 2nd September, 1913, at London, Nelly Catherwood, nee Richardson, late of "Bidston," Eagle Junction, in her 28th year. Advised by cable.

Interesting name and age and quarter do not fit so it can't be the right one:

Deaths Jun 1913
Catherwood Ellen C 22 Croydon 2a 309
Richardson Elizabeth 78 Croydon 2a 309

Possibly coincidence there is a RICHARDSON there too. :confused:

I've searched Sep & Dec Q of 1913 for helen, nellie and nelly and can't find her death.

The William James in Victoria was in business/finance not an engineer so possibly Helen's spouse did not end up marrying in Victoria in 1914. eek) I think the one in Victoria was from Ireland.

Please see what you can find.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

GUESS WHAT eek) :biggrin: ;)

cheers
crankypants

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

The Argus (Melbourne,... Saturday 25 May 1940, page 4. Family Notices 6648 words
CATHERWOOD. - On the 24th May. at her residence, Glencoe, Swan Walk, Chelsea, Dorothea Everett, dearly loved wife of William James, beloved daughter of the late Janet West and Mr. C. W. West (Coburg), loving sister of Charles (deceased), Cora, Reuben, and Nelson, aged 51 years.

ER's already sent

1919 financier 1924 & 1931 tram employee

Found them in VIC 1936 & 1937 Flinders-Carrum
CATHERWOOD Dorothea Everett, 49 Swan Walk, Chelsea, h.d
CATHERWOOD William J, 49 Swan Walk, Chelsea, collector

CATHERWOOD Wm Jas & WEST Dorothea Everett married 1914 VIC.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for finding the couple in the E/R in Victoria. I'm not convinced it's the same William James, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

The Queenslander - Saturday 13 September 1913
DEATHS
CATHERWOOD.-On the 2nd September, 1913, at London, Nelly Catherwood, nee Richardson, late of "Bidston," Eagle Junction, in her 28th year. Advised by cable.

Actually, it was this death I was hoping you'd find somewhere besides FreeBMD, and perhaps shipping record to see if Helen travelled alone.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hello crankypants,

The Queenslander - Saturday 13 September 1913
DEATHS
CATHERWOOD.-On the 2nd September, 1913, at London, Nelly Catherwood, nee Richardson, late of "Bidston," Eagle Junction, in her 28th year. Advised by cable.

Interesting name and age and quarter do not fit so it can't be the right one:

Deaths Jun 1913
Catherwood Ellen C 22 Croydon 2a 309
Richardson Elizabeth 78 Croydon 2a 309

Possibly coincidence there is a RICHARDSON there too. :confused:

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

Refer Croydon death 1913. Ellen C CATHERWOOD is on 1911 census.

Parish: St Mary Newington
Reg: Southwark
Address: 8 Harper Street Newington S E
CATHERWOOD, Alfred Henry Head Widower M 56 1855 Licenced Victullar London Clerkenwell
CATHERWOOD, Henry George Son Single M 21 1890 Assisting In Business At Home London Bermondsey
CATHERWOOD, Ellen Cerillia Daughter Single F 20 1891 Assisting In Business At Home London Bermondsey

cheers
crankypants

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Finally found them.;)

Name: William J Catherwood
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 2 Sep 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne, Albany, Durban, Cape Town
Ship Name: Afric
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110537
Occupation: Engineer

Name: Hele J Catherwood (image Helen J)
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 2 Sep 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne, Albany, Durban, Cape Town
Ship Name: Afric
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110537
(Died at sea 22/8/13)

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Yes, it's not Helen. I'll give you some more on the William James in Victoria and see if we can prove one way or the other if he is the same one.

Surname: CATHERWOOD
Given Names: Wm Jas
Event: M
Spouse Surname: WEST
Spouse Gvn Names: Dorothea Everett
Year: 1914
Reg. Number: 8099


Dorothea Everett CATHERWOOD nee WEST died in 1940 aged 51 in Chelsea...No death found for him. She was buried at New Cheltenham Cemetery.

His WWI enlistment shows he was 25 and a financier/bookkeeper. Born July 24, 1890.


Catherwood William James : SERN DEPOT : POB Belfast Ireland : POE Broadmeadows VIC : NOK W Catherwood Dorothea C


That's interesting. There is no William James CATHERWOOD on the WWI Nominal Roll at AWM site.

He was alive 19 Jul 1960 living at Schofields, NSW.

Death 63191/1971 CATHERWOOD WILLIAM AGED 80 YRS DIED SCHOFIELDS BLACKTOWN

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

They marry in 1912 in Qld. Helen dies in London in 1913. William marries in Victoria in 1914. :confused: :confused:

Death of the other one in the E/R

15306/1969 CATHERWOOD DOREEN HELENA EDITH THOMAS HENRY LUCRETIA BLACKTOWN

I presume he married Doreen in Victoria.

I noticed in the E/R Index as well as William James in Brisbane in 1913 three are two entries in 1913 Brisbane for a William CATHERWOOD. Nothing overlapping in the E/R so I suppose there is only one, or two although we have 3 marriages.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

post44 death at sea matches the death noticefor Sept 1913.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. :D Now, do we have one an engineer and 2nd one an accountant?

KONIGIN LUISE
OF BREMEN, A. HARRASSOWITZ, MASTER, BURTHEN 10711 / 6789 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF BREMEN via MELBOURNE TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES,
20TH NOVEMBER 1909

MAKAR MR. --- CLERK --- PASSENGER 3RD CLASS
-------------- CATHERWOOD--- no other details
WESTON MR. WALTER --- ENGINEER --- PASSENGER 3RD CLASS

I will view the image. :2fun: Turns out Mr MAKAR's given name is Catherwood :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Check this out.

Name: Mr W J CATHERWOOD
Date of departure: 12 November 1914
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia
Date of Birth: 1890 (calculated from age)
Age: 24
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Ship: RUNIC
Official Number: 113441
Master's name: J Kearney
Steamship Line: White Star Line
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
Square feet: 12220
Registered tonnage: 12490
Passengers on voyage: 433

Name: Mrs D E CATHERWOOD
Date of departure: 12 November 1914
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia
Date of Birth: 1890 (calculated from age)
Age: 24
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: H'wife
Ship: RUNIC
Official Number: 113441
Master's name: J Kearney
Steamship Line: White Star Line
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
Square feet: 12220
Registered tonnage: 12490
Passengers on voyage: 433

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Born abt 1886 makes him within a year of Helen and not 4 years younger. We must have TWO.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A honeymoon in England ?

Square feet: 12220 Divide by 4 to get number of passengers. :D

I've found someone with a tree of that couple but no details at all for William.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

There is a William James CATHERWOOD in 1901 census in Lancashire.

A search of the census on-line did not find any William CATHERWOOD in Lancashire ???

I found out from the 1901 census that my ancestor used to be a steam engine whistle tester!"

No sign of a birth in England around 1886.

I thought I had found his death in 1972 but I was mistoooken. :D

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Can't find one born around 1886, this is all I could find in 1901

England 1901
CATHERWOOD, William James 1890 11 M West Derby Lancashire

Ireland 1901
Catherwood William J 10 Male Son Presbyterian

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

I would say that the William James from Lancashire probably ended up in Australia because there are are several others in Australia born in Liverpool - father William John.

I keep finding more stuff on the one in Victoria. Not that it helps me much. :D

That's it I think for this topic.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,


England 1901
CATHERWOOD, William James 1890 11 M West Derby Lancashire

Ireland 1901
Catherwood William J 10 Male Son Presbyterian

I've seen one reference to the one in E/R in Victoria that he was born in Ireland and one that he was from Lancashire. :confused:

WWI enlistment for the one in Melbourne had born July 24, 1890 Belfast, Ireland.

I looked in freeBMD for the death after 1913 of a William James CATHERWOOD and I tried to search the other index but was having trouble with the site.

Did you look but not find a death in England?

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: William J Catherwood
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Liverpool South
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 486

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

There are TWO, mine born about 1886 (the age 27 on the shipping record in 1913 should be accurate - no reason to over- or under-state his age) and the other born about 1890 and both ended up in Australia.

Age at death (estimated): 76

Does that mean someone guessed or it is calculated from some other record? If accurate it does not fit the one born Ireland in 1890. Place of death fits the one in 1901 census Lancashire who was born 1890. So if the Victorian one was born in Ireland and mine born in Lancashire then the age in the 1901 census is out or the age in 1913 is out by 4 years, or we have THREE. Meaning mine is not in the 1901 census and the one born Ireland ended up in Victoria where he married in 1914 and the one born Lancashire stayed in England. ??? That death you found could be the one who didn't leave Lancashire and therefore not mine.

Both married after 1911 so what's in the 1911 census? (I can look).

Any sign of one or both of them in shipping records to Australia 1901 - 1914?

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Only one W J CATHERWOOD departing Liverpool in 1914 and arriving in Victoria. (ref post 46).

So the William J CATHERWOOD who was born 1890 died in 1967 (can I say this chap never left England)?

Refer post 44 what happened to William J CATHERWOOD c1886 Engineer who left Sydney in 1913 for London. His wife Helen died onboard. Did he stay in the UK or return to Australia.????
__________________________________________________ ________

Also this one, born c1884, no middle name.

Name: Wm CATHERWOOD
Date of departure: 28 June 1907
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia
Date of Birth: 1884 (calculated from age)
Age: 23
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmhand

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I would say the 1907 one to Brisbane would be mine. Born 1884 or 1886 is +/- 1 year of Helen's age. Marriage in Brisbane in 1912. Yes, what happened to him after Helen died?

The one who left Liverpool in 1914 with spouse must have arrived in Victoria before their 1914 marriage. I still say it must have been a honeymoon. :D He enlisted in 1915 POB Belfast, Ireland. Service record has him in Scofields, NSW and thence we have his death.

Only birth in England for a 'William' from 1883 to 1891:

Births Mar 1891
Catherwood William John Liverpool 8b 37


1911 Census Index
MILITARY CATHERWOOD WILLIAM J 1891 20 Medway Kent


So, was mine born in Scotland 1885 +/- 1 year ?

No sign of a William CATHERWOOD born in Scotland 1883 to 1891 on SP.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Sorry, one born in 1900.

1901 Scotland Census
Name: William Catherwood
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Dorcas
Gender: Male
Where born: Motherwell, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 639
Registration district: Dalziel
Civil parish: Dalziel
Town: Motherwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 49 Camp St
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 195
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_260
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Catherwood 29
Dorcas Catherwood 29
Robert Catherwood 10
John Catherwood 9
Dorcas Catherwood 7
Lizzie Catherwood 5
William Catherwood

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. It's a very Scottish, Irish sort of name. I bet the Lancashire ones were not originally English.

Marriages Dec 1888
CATHERWOOD William John Liverpool 8b 171

I would say he is the father of those including William J born in Lancashire. This is probably the marriage of his son.

Marriages Sep 1924
Catherwood William J Coward Liverpool 8b 223

Only the one birth in England (the one who didn't leave England) and no birth in Scotland, so does that mean mine was also born in Ireland?

1901 Irish census ???

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

1901
Residents of a house 26 in Guiness (Dunmore, Down)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Catherwood Joseph 50 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer Read only - Married -
Catherwood Samuel 19 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Farmer's Son Read - Not Married -
Catherwood William J 16 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Farmer's Son Read - Not Married -
Catherwood Sarah 50 Female Wife Presbyterian

Farmer's son - fits the 1907 shipping record 'farmhand'

1901
Residents of a house 24 in Wilton Street (part of) (Woodvale Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Officer Robert 32 Male Boarder Presbyterian Co Antrim General Labrour Cannot read Irish Not Married -
Dowds William J 28 Male Boarder Church Ireland Co Down Labrour in Iron Works Read and write Irish Not Married -
Catherwood Rubena 1 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Antrim - - Irish - -
Catherwood Margaret 33 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Housekeeper Read and write Irish Widow -
Catherwood William J 10 Male Son Presbyterian

Belfast is in Antrim - fits the POB Belfast for the one who enlisted in Victoria in 1915.

Regards,

Dave

[Heather Catherwood]

Hello,
My name is Heather Catherwood. I live in Brockport, NY USA. I am starting to do research on my family, and I came across this website. Your above post from the 1901 Census is my great grandfather William Catherwood. His Parents were Robert Catherwood and Dorcas Donnan. I have information about part of the family that immigrated to the United States in the 1920s, I can send you any information you would need to find out more about the Catherwood/Donnan family. I would appreciate any information you have on this family as well; as this is as far back as I have information. My direct email address is [email] (Sorry Heather, your email address has been deleted for security reasons. Once you have made three posts, you will be able to send your address by private message. dave) Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Heather Catherwood