1911 census look up please

[jayneflop]

hi to anyone who can help im trying to get names on the 1911 census for hocknull,there is george born 1867 susan born 1868 polly annie richard possibly others but not sure hope you can help thanks

[woodlander]

A few of the names you listed are here :-

1911 census RG14 Piece:17307
Reference:RG14PN17307 RG78PN1062 RD371 SD4 ED2 SN230
Registration District:West Bromwich Sub District:West Bromwich North East Enumeration District:2 Parish:West Bromwich
Address:62 Rydding Square West Bromwich County:Staffordshire

HOCKNULL, George Head Married 22 years 44 Striker On Fittings born Staffs Wednesbury
HOCKNULL, Susannah Wife 22 years 43 born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, Charles Son 20 Labourer General born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, John Son 16 Leding Boxes born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, William Son 13 Errand Boy born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, Polly Daughter 11 School born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, Emily Daughter 8 born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, Annie Daughter 3 born Staffs West Bromwich
HOCKNULL, Edith Daughter 1 born Staffs West Bromwich

[Elaine Tuck]

hi to anyone who can help im trying to get names on the 1911 census for hocknull,there is george born 1867 susan born 1868 polly annie richard possibly others but not sure hope you can help thanks

Susan and George are my GG Grandparents. I know they had a daughter Georgina she is my grandfathers mother. I have Georginas Marriage and death certificate and my grandfathers Birth certificate.
I have just started my family tree any info would be helpful.

Thanks Elaine

[Guy]

duplicated

[Guy]

A word of warning. I am not trying to be a killjoy but am advising of the current position. ;)

It is a breach terms and conditions to use your subscription the findmypast to do look-ups on the 1911 census.
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Cheers
Guy

[oznannie]

Well said Guy.
I'm always reminding people about the census
between 1910 and 1912, the way to list.

ozn

[jemimatree]

Well said Tina.;)

[jayneflop]

hi elaine what do you need to know on the hocknulls i have loads of info annie was my nan get in touch

[Elaine Tuck]

hi elaine what do you need to know on the hocknulls i have loads of info annie was my nan get in touch


Hi Jayne,
My great grandmother is Georgina Hocknull. I have lots of information on her.
I'm trying to find out what happened to her husband Cyril. He left when my grandfather was approx 8 yrs his mother Georgina Died when he was 10.
Do you know if he left when Georgina was ill, or any info on how long she was ill for. I know that she had 5 children someone said she had 7. I have spoken to the family they all only know of 5.
Do you know if she had 7 children if so do you know what happened to them?
Please keep in touch.

Elaine.

[jayneflop]

hi elaine i think iv managed to find something out and pretty sure it is cyril but will check it out more, ive found that he possibly remarried in 1925 to a constance v davis in dudley and they had a daughter barbara c broughton in 1927 stourbridge,found that georgina had possibly 4 kids a cyril g 1913kings norton a laurence 1915 aston and a john and william possibly twins 1n 1919 west bromwich,i asked my dad today if he remembers georgina which he did but doesnt remember cyril or the kids but am guna ask my aunt she if she knows anything,would you mind sending me info you have got about georgina please cuz i havnt got a lot on her and it might help family members remember something thanks elaine speak to you soon mate byee

[Elaine Tuck]

hi elaine i think iv managed to find something out and pretty sure it is cyril but will check it out more, ive found that he possibly remarried in 1925 to a constance v davis in dudley and they had a daughter barbara c broughton in 1927 stourbridge,found that georgina had possibly 4 kids a cyril g 1913kings norton a laurence 1915 aston and a john and william possibly twins 1n 1919 west bromwich,i asked my dad today if he remembers georgina which he did but doesnt remember cyril or the kids but am guna ask my aunt she if she knows anything,would you mind sending me info you have got about georgina please cuz i havnt got a lot on her and it might help family members remember something thanks elaine speak to you soon mate byee

Hi Jane thankyou for that information. Georgina was born in 1888 she married Cyril in 1913 she had five children Cyril born 1913, Lawrence born 1915 , Emily but known as Margaret born 1916 and then she had Twins William(Bill) John(Jack) born 1919.
Cyril left when my grandfather was aprox 8. I dont know when Georgina Became ill , My Grandfather remembered when he was about 10 his mother being tacken away in an ambulance covered in blood she died in 1923 from Bowel Cancer such a sad story the Address on her death certificate is 62 Ryding square west Brom but she Died at 1 Western road a poor law institution i hope this helps.
who was your Annie married to and when did she marry and who are her children? Also are you on Genes Reunited i sent a message to a Jane on there connected to an Annie because this site plays about and it wont always let me sign in . Hope to hear from you soon with regards Elaine

[Elaine Tuck]

Hi Jayne I have some more info of Georgina`s Addresses,
on the 1911 Census Georgina was living at 114 Oakfield Road Selly Park as a House Maid (Domestic) she was 22.
then on the 8th Febuary 1913 she Married Cyril George Broughton her residence at the time of marriage was Oakly Bristol road Selly oak she was a Domestic cook, Cyril`s Address was just around the corner 30 Hubert Road Bournbrook Sellt Oak,He was an Engineer`s store keeper.
Then when my Grandfather was born on 22nd August 1913 their Address was 4 Gleave road Selly oak.
Lawrence known as Larry was Born in Aston as was Emily/Margaret the twins where born in West Brom I havnt got actual addresses for them yet,
I hope you got my other Message about Georgina.
Georgina was the Eldest child of the family.Do you know where Georgina was Buried?
I will be visiting Birmingham the end of this month with my sister and my Daughter, visiting Kinver and then into Birmingham Archives and some of the addresses hopefully i will get a lot more info on the family .
well hope to hear from you soon with regards Elaine

[jayneflop]

hi elaine thanks for that info my god she obviously suffered alone,i mean selly oak aint just round the corner from the family,in 1911 the family were living at 62 rydding square so she obviously went to stay with her parents who had the children when she died,from what youve told me about her husband and i dont know a lot about him but he obviously was a bit of a rat to leave as ive found he remarried in 1925 to a constance v davis in dudley 1925 i will try to find out where she is buried, i would imagine that it would be in west bromwich,my nan was annie born 1908 she married joseph archer in 1932 there kids were my dad colin aug 1933 patricia 1942 and warren born 1946,did you know about william hocknull 1898 that he died at the somme i have his casualty details and cemetry details if you havnt already got them,also elaine i have some info on the broughton family if your interested and yea i have been on genes but not for a while but will look to see if i can find you,ill see what i can find out for you about cemetery details will be in touch soon elaine byeeeee

[jayneflop]

hi elaine i didnt mean any disrespect by that comment about him being a bit of a rat just meant itas a figure of speech,cyrils family lived in kinver didnt they i have the 1891 census if you would like it speak to you soon elaine

[Elaine Tuck]

Hi Jayne
I think calling Cyril a rat was putting it lightly,I could have found a few choice words more suited to him.
My Grandfather didnt talk much about his childhood or his up bringing,Is all he said was his dad left when he was 8yrs old and that he didnt like his name because it was the same as his father. He also remembers his mum being taken away in an ambulance covered in blood this must have been when she became ill,I think they where living in west Brom then because that was where the twins where born they where only 4 when she died.
My grandfather was then Brought up by 2 Aunties 1 of which was Polly i know that because grandad did mention that but im not sure which other one and he was also looked after in a childrens home but im not sure which one that im still to find out.I keep in touch with my mums cousin John Broughton he is Lawrence son he is also doing the family tree i guess your dad is my mum and Johns 2nd cousin. John said that his dad told him that Cyril went out to buy a sports jacket and never came back that was the last he heard or saw of him, I think Georgina became ill and didnt want to be left with the children and he left.
that would be great if you could post copies of williams casualty details and cemetery details if you want copies of Georginas Marriage certificate and death certificate i will get you coppies also i know its a cheek but do you have any photos of the Hocknulls ie Georgina and her sisters and brothers parents maybe it would be nice to see any family resemblances im also doing my family tree in photo form hope to speak to you soon Elaine

[jayneflop]

hi elaine yes i remember polly she was a fiesty sort my dad says she'd knock any man out,her son joe died this year i remember him he was lovely they were the lloyds ill ask my aunty if she as any photos i only have a couple when my nan was young the one is around the 20's i think but i will ask,ill put what census iv found on for you and ill try and find out who else looked after the kids,now with william if you go on google and type in south staffordshire regiment for the 1st world war then go on CWGC casulty details scroll down and go on search you will get all his details up and at least then you can print them off which i have done its a piece of history to keep isnt it and its a great site, any problems tho elaine let me know ill speak to you soon mate byeeeee

[jayneflop]

sorry mate typng my head off eya lol just go on CWGC casulty details and youll get it up see ya

[jayneflop]

hi again elaine ive spoke to my aunty today and shes guna look to see if she has any photos but the one i told you about thinking it was my nan my aunty says it might be georgina cuz she did have 1 of her and she thinks it might be the 1 but shes guna check to see if she as it and whichever 1 it is i will get my mate to show me how to get it to you through the web or ill send it to you mate,also my aunt says she remembers nan (annie) and either emma or edith going to birmingham to the kids home in 1963 and bringing the kids back but they went back she thinks they wernt comfortable there but she says they could have possibly gone to pollys so shes guna ask her cousin if she remembers them coming to their home but i know they never kept in touch after that which is a shame,she is also guna look to see if she as any family photos speak to you soon mate hope this helps,oh still trying to find out where she was buried speak to you soon

[Elaine Tuck]

Thanks Jayne that would be Brilliant my mum and John would love to see what their family looked like as they have never met any of Grandads family I dont think any of them where in a home in the 60`s My Grandfather and Lawrence moved to Brighton when they were old enough which is where he met my nan who is still alive she`s 90 grandad was in the navy they had 4 girls Jean, jaqaline , Josephine and Gillian.
In the 60S though some one put an addvert in the paper looking for my grandfather and lawrence to see if they were alright He had a good life he died at the age of 84 he loved his life and sport which they played alot of in the home thanks again for that speak to you soon any more info you need just let me know bye for now Elaine

[Elaine Tuck]

sorry jayne I think grandad wanted to get away i think it was to painfull for him, your dad leaving is one thing but your mum dying must have been terrible at such a young age he even found it hard to talk about even to my nan she only knows as much as me he just didnt talk about it only the odd thing now and again, speak to you soon Elaine

[jayneflop]

it is truly a sad story elaine but from what ive been told i think the hocknulls did think of them but im sure they just didnt know what to do,im sure it was them that put the advert in but im glad your grandad lived a good life but im sure he hurt a lot,as soon as i find out if this photo is georgina ill get in touch and obviously if i find anything else,ive got a few census on the broughtons when i get 5 mins ill put them on for you and some of the hocknulls it is very interesting we have to keep in touch you know were familyyyyyy lol speak to you soon mate jayne

[Elaine Tuck]

Well i worked out that we are 4th cousins you would be my mums 3rd cousin
i will def keep in touch thanks for all the info. Family is inportant to me especially finding my grandfathers family who no one not even my mum knew anything much about dont forget if you need any info dont hesitate to ask Elaine

[jayneflop]

hi elaine this

is 1901 for broughtons

cyril broughton born 1888 aged 13 kinver
mabel broughton born 1886 aged 15 kinver
walter matthews born 1868 aged 33 kinver
annie matthews born 1867 aged 34 bobbington
sydney matthews born 1900aged 1 kinver


liver at 101 kinver house,church hill kinver
walter and annie are there uncle and aunt
walter was a farmer


the 1891 census

george broughton born 1855 age36
sarah a broughton born 1854 age 37
mabel broughton born 1886 age 5
cyril broughton age 1888 age 3

they lived at 74 the comber kinver
george was an ironworker sarah a housewife,mabel a scholar


think sarah died 1908 but dont know why cyril and mabel were living with their uncle and aunt in 1901 elaine

the hocknulls george born 1867 his mom and dad were george born 1830 in sandbach cheshire he was married to eliza roden in 1877 west bromwich,eliza was born 1831 west bromwich and died in 1877 george died in 1903 they had kids mary born 1850 died 1891 ann born 1852 john 1857 robert 1854 died 1937 emma born 1855 george 1867 martha 1865 and annie 1869

mary married a george darlington 1867 and they had a daughter mary born 1868
emma married a john wilson 1876
martha married albert matthews 1888 and in 1901 she lived in lancashire
annie married albert james davis in 1887

georges 1830 his mom and dad were john born 1795 and his wife weas sussanah birtles
their kids were george born 1830
emma 22nd march 1822
thomas 8th dec 1824
john 13th dec 1819 all in cheshire
john and sussanah married in 1817 at grt budworth cheshire
thomas married an anne (unknown) 1st then married a lucy barrs

john 1795
his mom and dad were george 1741 and died 1815 and mary nee holland 1760 and she died 1833 they married in churchwetzel,west virginia usa in 1778 and their kids were
george 1789
thomas 1790 he died 1886
martha 1794
john 1795
hannah 1797
sarah 1799
richard 1801
margaret 1804 and they lived in lawton cheshire
thomas wed a mary barlow 1st january 1806 in sandbach

hope this is helpful elaine still loads to find tho speak to you soon mate

sarah a broughton born 1854 aged 37

[Elaine Tuck]

Thankyou for all the information i did already have that info on the Broughtons i cannot however find the Marriage between Cyril and Constance which is a shame, I will keep Looking his name is Cyril George however his uncle spelt it with an S but in his marriage it is spelt with a C which is the correct spelling. Where did he disapear to its a mystery.
Did you want any of Georgina`s childrens information and their children?
Also i could not find the info on William on that site prob just me im not much of a computor literate,although i am getting better.will have another look.
The hocknull info is helpfull thanks i will sort that out and add to my tree.
speak soon Elaine

[juliejtp]

Found a marriage for a Constance V Davis year 1925 district Dudley, the groom is listed as a George C Broughton, perhaps he swapped his first and second names around. Just a thought :)

[Elaine Tuck]

Thanks for that Julie I will check it out perhaps talk to my 2nd cousin see what he thinks, I know people used to change their names around especially if they didnt want to be found. Elaine