Henry KILNER family in Australia

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Florence KILNER d. 1938

1937 E/R Brisbane

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Winifred [Freda] Marion KILNER b. 1885 d. ?

married 1911 Qld.

William MACKIE b. ? d. ?


Freda MACKIE 1943 NSW Parramatta ??


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. No, Just 1937 for Florence thanks. We have done some of the KILNER E/R already but before the recent update.

Although she was known as Freda this is not her judging by this marriage:

21375/1938 MACKIE ALEXANDER DEVINE FREDA RANDWICK

I have nothing at all on William MACKIE besides his name in the marriage reg, so he may have died or they separated or... :rolleyes:

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A 'W. Mackie' arrived in Brisbane in Dec 1897 from Sydney on the 'Warrego'.

In 1893 WCH KILNER was an auditor of Ipswich Municipal Council.

Can't find anything else. I was looking for the KILNER-MACKIE marriage.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,


There is one other thing:

Daughter
1912/C04286 Mackie Helen Josephine Florence William Winifred Marion Kilner

EDIT:

There are 5 Helen Josephine... in 1936 BRITTEN, MARTIN, McMAHON, ROBB & SLATER.

I can't see a marriage.
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Earle Vivian Clarke KILNER b. 1886 d. ?

married 1911 Qld.

Emily GORRING b. 1889 d. ?

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Winsley Gorring KILNER b. 1912 d. ?

Griffith, Bowman & Lilley

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

It's not this one unless the age at death is way out:
25829/1966 MACKIE WINIFRED 73 YEARS DIED AT MORISSET WYONG

And for Helen Josephine it's not MARTIN.

There are several William MACKIEs in Qld and one died in 1898. One was a farmer in the Warrego Sheep District in 1879.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

You know what....I seem to be going around in circles and not getting anywhere with these MACKIE's.:D

Why can't I find Winnifred MACKIE after 1919.

Have you anything on her son 'Roderick Archibald' born 1914. Can't find him either in the e/r's.

I was hoping to find a 'Helen Josephine Florence' but none listed.

Helen Josephine Britten Female 1936 Queensland Brisbane Fortitude Valley
Josephine Helen Martin Female 1936 Queensland Brisbane Paddington
Helen Josephine McMahon Female 1936 Queensland Darling Downs
Helen Josephine Robb Female 1936 Queensland Wide Bay Gin Gin
Helen Josephine Slater Female 1936 Queensland Darling Downs East Toowoomba

Helen Josephine Flanagan Female 1943 Queensland Brisbane Kelvin Grove
Helen Gladys Josephine Johnson Male 1943 Queensland Moreton Ipswich
Josephine Helen Martin Female 1943 Queensland Lilley Windsor
Helen Josephine McMahon Female 1943 Queensland Maranoa Pittsworth
Helen Josephine Robb Female 1943 Queensland Wide Bay Gin Gin
Helen Josephine Slater Female 1943 Queensland Darling Downs East Toowoomba

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. I edited the post to remove the MARTIN one -She died in Tasmania and indicated date of birth didn't match. I was hoping something would show in the E/R but without the other middle name we are lost.

The London Gazette, 19 September 1941 p. 5429
The undermentioned Pilot Officers on probation are confirmed in their appointments and promoted to the war substantive rank of Flying Officer.
26th May 1941.
Roderick Archibald MACKIE (81015).

May or may not be the same one. Did they all go to England ???

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Yes I saw that article and checked deaths in the U.K, but no luck with roderick, Helen or Winnifred.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Ok, thanks. I can't see him in service in Australian forces. It's probably him with those given names.

---------
Clement Earle KILNER b. 1914

E/R Griffith & Bowman

---------
Harold Ronald KILNER b. 1917

Have 1949 E/R.

1954 Bowman

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Images sent.
......................

Google books

Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland newsletter, Issues 1-52‎
History - 1962
... COMMENDATION FOR VALUABLE SERVICE IN THE AIR Captain Roderick Archibald Mackie, DFC and Bar CBE (Military) - Air Vice-Marshal Alfred Mulock Bentley, ...

EDIT

N.A.A
MACKIE Roderick Archibald, RAF [Royal Air Force] 81015
Barcode
519358 Series number
AWM65 Series accession number
AWM65
Control symbol
3284
Contents date range
1939 - 1945 Extent
Location
Australian War Memorial
Access status
Open Reason for restriction
Date of decision
21 Apr 1986

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Blanche Mildred KILNER d. 1944

Have E/R 1936.

E/R 1943 Moreton

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

The National Archives at Kew intimidate me. I very rarely attempt to find anything on that site.

I have found some unattached KILNERs in Queensland. eek)
I mean they are there in 1860-1890 but not in my tree so they have to be connected somehow.

EDIT: I just made a fool of myself. I'm allowed to do that once a year :D

I thought that was from the Kew Archives but it's actually from NAA.

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Lorna Irene KILNER b. 1889 Balmain d. 1968 Helensburgh

E/R Oxley, Brisbane, St George (NSW), Brisbane


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Perhaps one of the two unattached William KILNERs is from Lancashire and not part of the family. I think it will present quite a puzzle to sort these odd ones out.

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Lenore Hirst KILNER b. 1888 d. ?

Have E/R 1949.

E/R 1954 McPherson

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William Hirst KILNER b. 1885 d. ?

married 1915 Qld

Jessie BLACKLEY b. 1893 d. ?

Have E/R 1949.

E/R 1954 Bowman

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. That's the end of the known E/R look ups for the KILNER family. Perhaps I was wrong to think all the KILNERS are connected. The rest of the queries on the family will prove a bit of a puzzle to solve.

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Colin Hirst KILNER b. 1921

married ?

Adelaide [Molly] Doreen UNKNOWN b. abt 1919 d. 2007

Enlisted Laverton, Vic. 5 Feb 1940 - S/N 8695 Flying Officer 21 Operational Training Unit - NOK Kilner Adelaide - Discharged 18 Feb 1946

E/R ??

I can't find the marriage. Molly was from Yorkshire and retained her accent ;)

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Colin H Kilner
Spouse Surname: Richardson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1944
Registration district: Buckrose
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire- East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 147

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Adelaide D Richardson
Spouse Surname: Kilner
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1944
Registration district: Buckrose
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire- East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 147

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
KILNER Colin H 1921 M 1959 Southampton Australia Sydney
KILNER Adelaide Doreen 1919 F 1946 Southampton Australia Australia

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. How handy I remembered Molly still had her Yorkshire accent. :D :D

I guess this is her birth then:

Births Dec 1918
Richardson Adelaide D Holywood Guisbro 9d 1065

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

KILNER/RICHARDSON BIRTH.

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Suzanne P Kilner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Richardson
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1945
Registration district: Barnsley
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9c

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
KILNER Susanne Patricia 1946 F 1946 Southampton Australia Australia
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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm now trying to decide how to present the unattached Queensland KILNERs to you. :D It will probably be in two groups.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I don't know yet if this William is part of the family or not.

William KILNER b. ? UK or Australia ? d. 1892

married ? UK or Australia ?

Emma BAILEY b. abt 1829 England d. 1884

Children include:
Harriet Ellen b. 1867 or earlier ? d. 1898
William b. 1869 d. 1896

Births
1869/C9463 William Kilner William Emma Bailey
1878/C1477 Unnamed (F) Kilner - Harriet Kilner

Marriage
1885/C9950 Hutchison Peter Lazarus Kilner Harriet Ellen

Deaths
1884/C16968 Emma Kilner - Joseph Bailey - ** born England aged 55 years
1896/C03474 William Kilner - - ** born Queensland aged 25 years
1892/B25354 William Kilner - -
1898/C30751 Harriet Hutchison - William Kilner Emma Bailey

Toowong Cemetery
Portion 1 - Sect 42 - Grave 8
Kilner William 26 / 09 / 1892 Unknown
Kilner Emma 18 / 07 / 1884 Unknown


The Brisbane Courier - Friday 18 July 1884
Funeral Notices
The Friends of Mr. WILLIAM KILNER, Sen., are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his deceased Wife; to move from his residence, Arthur-street, Spring Hill, THIS (Friday) MORNING, 18th July, at 10 o'clock, to the Toowong General Cemetery. JNO. SMITH, Undertaker, George-street.

The Brisbane Courier - Monday 26 September 1892
FUNERAL NOTICE.-The Friends of Mr. WILLIAM KILNER, deceased, are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to move from the residence of his son-in-law, Mr. P. Hutchison, Creek-street, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, to the Toowong General Cemetery, K. M. SMITH, Undertaker, George-street, next Lands Office; and corner of Gotha and Wickham streets, Valley.


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I thought there were TWO different unattached William KILNERs but it seems there is ONE and he remarried and that his 2nd spouse had two children BEFORE her marriage with him !!!

Hello crankypants,


William KILNER b. ? d. ?

married ? UK or Australia ?

Lina Gertrude ROGERS b. abt 1832 Scotland d. 1862


Births
1862/C1112 Frances Hannah Kilner William Lina Rogers
1869/C9586 William Kilner Dutton - Emma Bayley Dutton
1871/12949 Louisa Dutton - Emma Bayley Dutton

Marriage
1872/B03723 Kilner William Dutton Emma

Death
1862/811 Lina Gertrude Kilner Charles Rogers - ** born Scotland aged 30 years

The Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1861-1864) - Tuesday 24 June 1862
DEATH.
On the 22nd June, 1862, at the Military Barracks, Brisbane, Lina Gertrude, the beloved wife of Corporal William Kilner, aged 30 years.

The Brisbane Courier - Saturday 8 February 1873
William Kilner was summoned for having, on the 31st ultimo, caused one Frederick Dutton, his son-in law, to draw wood with a horse and dray without having obtained a license for that purpose. He pleaded guilty, but stated that his violation of the law was unintentional. He was cautioned, and fined 20s , the lowest penalty, and 3s. 6d costs. Being a poor mun with a large family, he was allowed a few days to pay. A summous against Frederick Dutton, for his share in the transaction, was withdrawn.


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

It took me about a week to make some sense of it. :D I think I have it almost sorted out.

I'm currently looking for the Frederick DUTTON & Emma BAILEY marriage.

EDIT:
Marriages Sep 1850
Bailey Emma Sudbury 12 671
Dutton Frederick Sudbury 12 671

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

One tree has this family, they don't know either his birth place.

William Kilner
Birth -
Death 1892 Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Marriage 1872 Emma Bailey Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Birth Emma Bailey 1829 – 1884
Children
William Dutton Kilner 1869 – 1896
Louisa Dutton Kilner 1871 – 1874

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Curious how one family says the two children are DUTTONs and another says they are KILNERs eek)

Now it would be good to find the Lina Gertrude ROGERS marriage and something about William being in the army - Colonial service ??? I think there are records of those who served in the various regiments posted to the colonies.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Colin & Molly had another daughter, Vandra. I almost took her to the high school social >:D She went with someone in a more senior class. Vandra didn't have an accent like her mother so I guess she was born in Australia.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Why search for Corporal William KILNER when you can search for Sergeant Frederick DUTTON :D

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/duttonfred.htm

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

28th Regiment has this one:

KILNER, William; Pte 99th 30yrs, 5'10", fair complexion, dark brown hair, dark hazel eyes; weaver, born York; deserted at Melbourne on 6.12.1853. Remarks - brand "D" under left arm, scar over (R) eye.

Unlikely to be the one who's spouse died in Brisbane in the Military Barracks in 1862.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hello crankypants,

Why search for Corporal William KILNER when you can search for Sergeant Frederick DUTTON :D

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/duttonfred.htm

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

Very informative on Frederick Dutton's life, shame they didn't know William Kilner's origins.
Did you get the 28th Regiment details from GSV.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

No, I've not looked at GSV yet. I've looked at this:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/somemorton.htm

"...The Military was re called to Moreton Bay, I think, in 1846 at the request of the squatters for protection against the blacks, but it was a detachment of the 99th Foot under Lt (afterwards Major) George Jean de Winton..."

The only KILNER is the one listed in all the Regiments is the one listed as a deserter from the 99th !!!!

1st / 99th Foot (Lanarkshire) Regiment of Foot 1843 - 1856

Lanarkshire - and Lina Gertrude ROGERS was born in Scotland.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99th_Duke_of_Edinburgh%27s_%28Lanarkshire%29_Regim ent_of_Foot

Does not mention there a detachment going to Moreton Bay.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/british_army-in-aust.htm

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I cannot see a birth 1829-1835 for a Lina/Lena or Gertrude RODGERS/ROGERS with father Charles or Chas or a marriage for any William KILNER to ROGERS in Scotland.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I don't know if he fits or not. I have William b. 1778 and we didn't seem to find him in 1841 or 1851. There is also William b. Mar Q 1847 son of Thomas & Anne R. The next William I have was born in Qld. in 1856.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

John Dickinson KILNER c. 19 Sep 1821 Saint Peter, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

William KILNER
Spouse: MARY DICKINSON
Marriage: 5 Jun 1816 Kirkburton, Yorkshire


William KILNER c. 28 Feb 1788 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire


Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I see Thomas Sen & Jnr and John Hirst are on that list. That could be William Sen & Jnr too but I don't know if they fit in.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

More detective work required. :rolleyes:

I want to know where the middle name Clarke came from, as in Henry Clarke KILNER b. 1855 Ipswich, Qld. I've just found a Thomas Kilner CLARKE M.D. Huddersfield. - born about 1844 son of Dr J W CLARKE of Huddersfield.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/20255405

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Births Dec 1843
CLARKE Thomas Kilner Huddersfield 22 326

I presume JW = John William.

I can't see a marriage before that birth that fits.

Think outside the triangle :D

Marriages Sep 1840
CLARKE William James Huddersfield 22 209
KILNER Eliza Huddersfield 22 209


Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

A piece you found ages ago that has remained a mystery until today. :D :D

Death of daughter of Thomas Kilner.
The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, July 18, 1840; Issue 5561. (2138 words)
Same day, at the parish church, Huddersfield, by the Rev. T. Manning, W. J. Clarke, Esq, Surgeon, to Eliza, daughter of Thomas Kilner, Esq, of Carr House, Huddersfield.

That means with marriage in Sep Q that Eliza died very soon after her marriage.


EDIT: :D :D Well now. I think that heading should read MARRIAGE

I still don't have her birth but now I know she fits in because of the name of her father and her spouse.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

This seems the only one to fit but...

un-named female b. 10 Jun 1815 c. 12 Jul 1815 Independent, Highfield By Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Thomas KILNER & Harrott


, ok, that would explain why we don't see an 'Eliza' in the 1841 census. I had assumed the 'un-named female' had died young.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

There are quite a few BMD's in Huddersfield when you search KILNER as middle name only.

So does that mean Eliza CLARKE nee KILNER's brother also used her husband's surname for his son.!

Also found a marriage in London Archives.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Kilner
Spouse Name: Sarah Barber
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Aug 1825
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London

(John Kilner Of the parish of Huddersfield in the County of York)

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I'd say so. His son as well with Earle Vivian Clarke.

One thing I'd like to check and I'll post it in the 1841 census topic.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

About the only thing left to find is the marriage of William KILNER and Lina Gertrude ROGERS. Her father is listed as Charles and it says she was born in Scotland but I can't find her birth. Anyway, that does not mean they married there. There is no sign of a William KILNER marriage in Scotland as far as I can see.

I guess I should check the shipping records for ROGERS and for death of Charles in Australia. If William arrived with the 99th as a single man then since they were stationed in Victoria and Tasmania he may have married there. I wonder if there are any children born to William & Lina in Victoria, or any deaths?

Well now :D

Birth # 3392/1860 KILNER HARRIET E WILLIAM LINA PADDINGTON


Please see if you can find anything. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I think there is yet another child because of this marriage:

1877/5802 Myers Wolfe Kilner Mary Lena

I can't find a birth in Qld. or NSW for Mary Lena. If she was 18 or a bit older her birth would be a few years before that of Harriet Ellen in 1860.

Interesting that Paddington is the location of Victoria Barracks. Perhaps the William KILNER who deserted in Victoria in 1853 is a different person. Is it likely a deserter would be back in the army with his spouse and with her death recorded as being in the barracks in Brisbane?

If the age at death for Lina Gertrude is correct then the marriage would have been after 1837 and after civil registration started but I can't find the marriage in UK.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

No luck finding birth place for Mary Lena KILNER.

Found Mary Lena MYERS in 1908, after that she is not using her middle name.
Of course there has to be two Mary MYERS both on there own, who to eliminate.:biggrin:

1908 QLD Electoral Roll – Brisbane – Fortitude Valley
MYERS Mary Lena, 31 Clay st., N.F., housekeeper

Another Birth in QLD
1862/1112 Frances Hannah Kilner William Lina Rogers

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks.

Death 1936/31637 Mary Lena Myers - - -

Of course we needed the mystery any deeper :D

I can't see a marriage or a death in Qld. or NSW for Frances Hannah, can you? I looked for Frances, Francis, Fanny & Hannah.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Are you having as much luck as me finding this mob.:D

Doesn't look like Wolfe & Mary had any children, can't find his death.
Can't find a marriage for Frances Hannah.

NLA have a couple of articles on a Wolf MYERS.

New South Wales Police Gazette 1880
Wolf Myers, charged on warrant issued by the Brisbane
(Queensland) Bench with larceny as a bailee , has been arrested
by Detective Lyons and Constable Dunlop. Remanded to
Brisbane.

I can't work out which Mary MYERS is yours in the later E/R's. Do you want me to send both in 1919, 1921, 1925. Strange thing is there are no Mary MYERS after 1925, which makes me wonder if this is she in the earlier e/r's.

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I'm fishing with the wrong bait I think. :( Getting nothing.

Mary Lena died 1936. The following might help if any of the Mary MYERs are with their spouse:

Mary Jane with William Henry or Mary Elizabeth with Charles Edward.

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

It's almost like she's vanished. Did she go O/S and then return before 1936.

I've ruled out Mary Jane she's not on e/r after 1919. Also two Mary Elizabeth's indexed after 1936.

These are all the Mary MYERS for 1930 & 1936.

Catherine Mary Myers Female 1930 Queensland Maranoa Dalby
Gladys Mary Myers Female 1930 Queensland Kennedy Hughenden
Mary Elizabeth Myers Female 1930 Queensland Herbert Innisfail
Mary Elizabeth Myers Female 1930 Queensland Herbert Innisfail
Mary Elizabeth Myers Female 1930 Queensland Kennedy Longreach

Catherine Mary Myers Female 1936 Queensland Maranoa Dalby
Florence Catherine Mary Myers Female 1936 Queensland Brisbane Kelvin Grove
Mary Ann Myers Female 1936 Queensland Brisbane Kelvin Grove
Mary Elizabeth Myers Female 1936 Queensland Kennedy Longreach
Mary Elizabeth Myers Female 1936 Queensland Herbert Innisfail

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crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I'm not sure. I was about to comment on the reg of the 1877 marriage to say it had a B= Brisbane or a C= country Qld. but the re-worked site no longer shows the prefix.

I've looked using 'Wolfe' and 'Wolf' and checked things like service record and Honour Roll etc... and nothing. I've checked some cemetries in NSW and Qld. I've checked RootsWeb & IGI.

I'd say it's a double brick wall.

So, what letter would you like next ? >:D We've done Q and Z :)

Regards,

Dave

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

As long as it doesn't have KILNER in any part of the name I'm not fussed.:2fun:

cheers
crankypants

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Ok no Kilner and no Slaughter.

I think the brick wall has a hole in it :D :D

Looks as though William was born in Greece about 1826 and his father was Benjamin, a British soldier stationed there. A marriage in Tasmania to a Lena Howard FORTESCUE in Hobart 1857 and they had a daughter Mary born Hobart 1857. And they went to NSW one daughter and Qld. one daughter. William's death certificate he states he was an Army pensioner. I can only presume Lena was born ROGERS and married FORTESCUE.

Regards,

Dave