3 missing births

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I have three births I can't find anywhere in the world so far. All three married and died in Queensland but so far I can't find their births in Australia, or find them in shipping records or find the deaths of their parents in Australia. Nor can I find their births or their parents marriage in UK.


William Henry BOND b. abt 1856 d. 1938 Qld.
- parents Richard Winsley & Bridget FARRELL

Marriage: 1905/B03906 Bond William Henry Ford Sarah Florence

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Sophia SOLOMON b. abt 1852 d. 1933 Qld.
- parents Harry & Mary LOVELAND

Marriage: 1888/C01373 Morley Arthur William Solomon Sophia

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Mary Ann WEATHERBY b. abt 1860 d. 1943 Qld.
- parents Richard & Charlotte

Marriage: 1884/C01032 Morley Harvey Thomas Weatherby Mary Ann

I hope someone can find something. :cool:

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

[BraisherT]

I know it wasn't uncommon (and still isn't!) to go from NZ to Australia.

A few William Bonds (no middle name given):
1859/345 Bond William
1865/1024 Bond William Auckland
1867/1443 Bond William
1870/1284 Bond William

Ref numbers are year, then ref for ordering from bmd in New Zealand.
Also found:
1854/320 Farrell William Henry Auckland
Possibly his parents weren't married? No parents name in the index, I'm afraid.

Edited to add: sorry, forgot about parent deaths.
1919/4146 Bond Richard 68Years

1938/25836 Farrell Bridget 79Y
1931/5319 Farrell Bridget 75Y
1915/2914 Farrell Bridget Jane 63Y
1918/10068 Farrell Bridget 80Y

No trace of any of the other people you mention, either children or parents, but the searchable web index here only goes back to 1840, so wouldn't include parent's births anyway.

Good luck!
Tamsin

[DaveHam9]

Hello Tamsin,

Thanks. Yes, there are a few in my tree who came to Australia via NZ, such as the OUTRIDGE family and a few who went the other way such as SARGINSON. It's possible William BOND was born in NZ.

There is a Bridget BOND who died 1900 Granville, NSW and several Richard BOND who died in Narrandera, NSW around 1880. Also a son named after his grandfather Richard Winsley and not much else so far.

I've 'Googled' all the names and checked the usual FreeBMD, FreeCEN, IGI, etc and no luck so far.

Regards,

Dave

[gibbo]

Hi Dave
I had the same problem with one i was looking for and i spoke to the Brisbane office and they said that a lot of births were not registered. The family i was looking into had some kids birth reg and others not. I know it dont help but maybe a thought that this may have happened with the ones you cant find.

gibbo

[gibbo]

hi Dave
found this possibly your Sophia Soloman

V18522664 69/1852 UNKNOWN SOPHIA

The other 2 Sophia's who were born in 1852 New South Wales were surname Kennedy and Grant so maybe the unknown Sophia is yours. No parents were noted...I count find one for QLd.

gibbo

[DaveHam9]

Hello gibbo,

Thanks. Yes, I have about 10 I know were born in Queensland between 1852 and 1863 but no birth reg seem to exist for them. I also have others born in the same period where I have both NSW and Qld registrations.

I've guessed the ages based on the age of their spouse and not based on age at death, which I don't have. I'm fishing because I have no marriage or deaths in Australia for their parents and nothing on shipping records for them or their parents so I don't know where I should really be looking.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I've found this death in Qld.:

1908 Ann Maria MEYERS - Richard Wensley BOND Bedelia FARRELL

:2fun: Now that means I'm looking for a marriage and probably a birth in Ireland :rolleyes:

So it's Winsley or Wensley and Bedelia or Bridget (middle name possibly Agnes although FARRELL is a very common name in Qld. so there may be another Bridget with middle name Agnes)

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Only 4 LOVELAND born in Qld. from 1830-1914.

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The 1st WEATHERBY was born in Qld. in 1881.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

It is Wensley :D

(Estate) Bond (Carrownure) - The Bonds were descended from a Presbyterian minister who settled in county Longford in the mid 18th century. In the 1830s and 1850s Richard Wensley Bond held an estate in the parish of St Johns, barony of Athlone, county Roscommon, from the Hodsons who had a lease in perpetuity from St George Caulfield dated 1764. Richard W. Bond was the second son of the Very Reverend Wensley Bond, Dean of Ross and he married Sophia daughter of the Reverend James Bond of Lecarrow, county Roscommon.

Now I need the marriage of Richard Wensley BOND and Bedelia FARRELL.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Richard Wensley BOND b. abt 1783 Ross, Co Cork, Ireland d. 3 Oct 1860 - where ?
Father: Wensley BOND b: 1736 [mother MS = WENSLEY]
Mother: Rebecca FORWARD b: Abt 1740 in Fermoy, Co Cork


Son Richard Thomas born abt 1815 but so far no sign of a son Richard Wensley or a marriage for him.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

No sign of a Bridget/Bedelia BOND in shipping records and no sign of a Bridget FARRELL arriving early enough to marry for the birth around 1856 of William Henry.

A family tree for Ann Maria MEYERS (nee BOND) has her date of birth about 1855 and that of her father Richard Wensley at about 1825 and her mother as Belinda FARRELL.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Now I have 3 possible ones to choose from:

Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd’s of London (Guildhall Library Ms 18567)

BOND, Richard Wensley b. Lecarrow, Roscommon 1862 011911 Liverpool 1894 vol.44 Extra Folio no.9 1894; vol.59 1896-1897, 1899-1903; vol.54 1905

BOND, William Henry b. Preston 1856 C04603 Liverpool 1881 vol.29 1881, 1883-1884, 1886-1887; vol.44 1888, 1891, 1894-1895; vol.59 1896-1897; vol.74 no voyages listed

BOND, William Henry b. Liverpool 1858 08247 changed to 039362 (vol.74) Liverpool 1893 vol.44 Extra Folio no.4 1893-1894; vol.59 1896, 1898-1900; vol.74 no voyages listed

BOND, William Henry b. Dublin 1860 09053 Liverpool 1888 vol.44 1889-1895; vol.59 1896-1903; vol.74 1904-1906, 1908

Where do I go next?

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Re William Henry BOND on the Lloyds list: I presume from the dates '1904-1906, 1908' for the one born in Dublin that he can't be the one if he married in 1905 in Queensland. That leaves Liverpool and Preston which is a bit odd given it seems a younger brother Richard Wensley was born in Roscommon.

One possible explanation is that William did have a brother Richard Wensley (the name appears in at least 4 generations :D ) who was a sea captain but that my William may not have been and that he is therefore not on the list - William Henry BOND being a very common name. :rolleyes:

Certainly we have the right family because I know where the Wensley comes from.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Mary Jane LOVELAND b: 25 May 1816 Horsall, Surrey, England c: 16 Jun 1816 Chobham, Surrey, England
d. 3 Jul 1902/C2358 Solomon Mary Sandy Gallop, Ipswich, Qld. of Bronchitis, Senile Decay
bu. 4 Jul 1902 Ipswich Cemetery, Qld.

Marriage 1 James Morton CURRALL b: Jun 1823 Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Married: 15 Oct 1843 Bathurst, NSW ? I can't find it even if it's CURRELL or variation. :rolleyes:

Marriage 2 Henry SOLOMON b: 1819 Kent, England d. 1895/C1863 Solomon Henry
Burial: 30 Jul 1895 Ipswich Cemetery, Qld.

Marriage
1863/C0179 Currall Mary Solomon Henry

That's certainly way after Sophia and siblings were born:

Birth # V1849609 161/1849 SOLOMON SOPHIA A HENRY MARY

Baptism
1854/BBP697 Solomon Richard James - Henry Mary -

Death
1904/C1925 Solomon Richard James - Henry Solomon Mary Currall


Seems no one knows what happened to James Morton CURRALL.

Regards,

Dave

[treacle1503]

Hi
I have Arthur William Morley and Sophia Solomon in my tree. This is the info I have:-

Sophia Solomon
Born 1849
Died 15 March 1933 Qld (ref Qld BDM 1933/000262)
Buried Mar 1933 Cloncurry General Cemetry (Portion 3)
Father:- Henry Solomon
Mother:- Mary Loveland
Married Arthur William Morley 5 Dec 1888 Qld (ref Qld BDM 001373)
Arthur William Morley was born in 1850 St Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire and died on 21 August 1914 in Mackay Qld. Buried Mackay Cemetry (grave 4016)

Qld Electoral Rolls
1903-1913 Arthur and Sohia were living at Hampden, Mackay, Schoolteacher
1919 Sophia, Thorn Street, South Ipswich, Home duties
1925 Sophia, Bon Accord, Wakefield St, Sandgate, Brisbane
1933 Sophia, Oorindi, Qld.

Children: nil


Hope this helps

Regards
Amanda Beavis (nee Morley)

[DaveHam9]

Hello Amanda,

Thanks. Yes, that all fits with what I now have.

Regards,

Dave

[treacle1503]

Hi again
I also have Mary Ann Weatherby in my tree.

Born 1863/64 Birmingham, England
Died June 1943 Brisbane, Qld (ref Qld BDM 1943/61793)
Buried 25 June 1943 Toowong Cemetry Brisbane
Father Richard Weatherby
Mother Charlotte ?
Married Harvey Thomas Morley on 27 Aug 1884 Mackay Qld (ref Qld BDM 1884/001032)


1889 Harvey Thomas Morley - tidewaiter Brisbane St, Mackay
1894-1895 Harvey Thomas Morley - Clerk, Customs, Cairns
1900-1905 Harvey & Mary Ann, Summers Street, Thursday Island, civil servant - Customs
1913-1916 Harvey Thomas & Mary Ann, Strand Townsville, Second clerk at Townsville Customs House, Wickam Street, Strand
1916-1917 H Morley Customs Officer in Gladstone
Harvey & Mary Ann lived at 32 Moray Street, New Farm, Brisbane until approx 1918
1919 Harvey Thomas & Mary Ann, Kent St, Teneriffe, Brisbane, Civil Servant
1925 Harvey Thomas & Mary Ann, Corrigans Estate, Kent St, Teneriffe, Brisbane, civil servant
Harvey worked at Warehouse Branch, H. M. Customs, Brisbane


Hope this helps
Regards
Amanda Beavis (nee Morley)

[DaveHam9]

Thanks.


Here is the baptism record:

name: Arthur William Morley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 19 Nov 1850
baptism/christening place: Christ Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Parkin Morley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Sophia Morley
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C02173-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2081967
reference number: v 1 p 35

[DaveHam9]

I suspect this is Mary Ann's birth reg and I wonder who the father is given the census:

Births Jun 1864
WILLOUGHBY Mary Ann Stubbs - Birmingham 6d 157

1871
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-RD: St Paul
WETHERBY Charlotte Head 1831 age 40 Worcestershire (status looks like 'W') = widow
WETHERBY Andrew Son 1855 age 16 press worker (printer) Birmingham, Warwickshire
WETHERBY Mary Ann Daughter 1863 age 8 Birmingham, Warwickshire
STUBBS Richard Lodger 1817 age 54 occ lab Birmingham, Warwickshire [Staffs]

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Charlotte KNOTT or Charlotte HUNT.


Marriages Sep 1847
KNOTT Charlotte Aston 16 291
Wethersbury Samuel Aston 16 291

Births Dec 1847
WETHERSBURY Elizabeth Aston 16 208

1851
HO107 Piece 2051 Folio 344 Page 30
Address looks like Cope Street Birmingham
Samuel Wethersbury 27 (Agricultural labourer), born Parkhouse, Hereford
Charlott Wethersbury 27, born Whisley? Hereford
Elizabeth Wethersbury 3


Births Mar 1854
Weatherby Andrew Birmingham 6d 12


1861
Charlot Hunt ? 37 b. Bromyard Hereforshire
Ellizabeth Witherby 13 b. Aston
Andrew Witherby 7 b. Birmingham
Richard Stubbs 43 b. Pottery Staffs

[DaveHam9]

A possible:

name: Charlotte Hunt
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 09 Jun 1822
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Hereford, Hereford, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Hunt
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C02358-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1041602
reference number: item 4 p 66

No sign of a Charlotte KNOTT in Hereford.

[DaveHam9]

FS still has the name as KNOTT:

groom's name: Samuel Wethersbury
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Charlotte Knott
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 06 Sep 1847
marriage place: Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M01168-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0919797-799, 0919800, 0918845-46
reference number:

[treacle1503]

Hi again.
I have been going through my stuff and I found a document with lots of information regarding Sophia Solomon and her parents - births, convict record, deaths and also a little bit about James Currall. Do you want me to give you this info or do you already have enough on that line?
Cheers
Amanda

[DaveHam9]

Hello Amanda,

I'll take what you have thanks, to confirm what I have and perhaps to fill a gap or two.

Regards,

Dave

[treacle1503]

Okay, here goes :-)
Henry Solomon b. abt 1808 in Somersetshire, England
d. 28 July 1895 in Brisbane Street, Ipswich age 76 years
m. 31 Dec 1863 St Pauls Church of England, Ipswich, Qld

Henry appeared before the London Central Criminal the evening of Wednesday 21st Sept 1836. His case was presented before the recorder and Alderman Wood.
The recorder's report
'Henry Solomon alias Palmer, 28, pleaded guilty, trans. life. The goods and money 87 pounds 10 shillings of Mary Ann Williamson in the division of ....No of Hy (Henry) Lee'

Transported on The Charles Kerr - a 463 ton ship built at Sunderland in 1826. The ship with the captain Master Arnold Harford, Surgeon Superintendant John Edward sailed from London 07/06/1837 passing Spithead on 08/06/1837 with 250 convicts, 4 died on the voyage. The route to Australia was direct and took 123 days. There were 12 free passengers - the Master, Officers, convict guards and a Dr Turnbull, his wife and 4 children.

Information record of Henry's particulars - Source Convict passener record
"Standing No of convict 37-2103 - Index No 15 - Name Henry Solomon, alias Palmer - Age 29 years - can read and write - Native place Somersetshire - Occupation Baker - Religion Protestant - status single - offence stealing money - Trial Central Criminal Court 19/09/1836 - Indent No 15 - Sentence life - former conviction none
Height 5 feet 7 1/2 inches, complexion dark ruddy, hair brown, eyes hazel, breast hairy, mark from wound on front of small of left leg"

Recorded in the Convict Muster book of 1837, Henry's master was John Ginger of Sydney. Henry received a ticket of leave on 19 November 1845.
From Henry's death certificate he came to Ipswich around 1851. Two birth registrations for his first child Mary Currall Sophia were registered in Sydney in 1845 and 1849.

Henry's death certificate recorede Apolpexy - sudden loss of sensation and motion, generally the result of hemorrhage in the brain or thrombosis. Duration of illness was 3 dats and a Dr Geoghegan certified him deceased.

He was buried by himself 30 July 1895 in the Church of England section of Ipswich cemetery. There was no headstone. The recorded burial details are under the name 'Soloman' - death certificate 'Solomon'. The clergyman was Rev E. Meeres and the undertakers were Johnson Bros. His son Jeremiah was his informant. Burial No 005553.

Mary Loveland christened 16 June 1816 in Horsell
Parents - George (24/10/1790 Bisley, Surrey - 01/08/1842 Chertsey, Surrey, occupation Farm Labourer) and Hannah Steadman (1791 Horsell - March 1859 Chertsey) George and Hannah married 08/07/1813.

Mary aged 25 years, occupation House Maid, came to Australia on the ship Moffat as an unmarried female immigrant, brought out by Nicolas Oloyt. Her state of health and probably usefullness was very good, religion Prodestant and she could read and write. There was no nominal list of employment found so she could have been hired from the ship when it landed. It is probable she went to Bathurst as a housemaid. Charlotte Hammond (probably a sister-in-law) gave her a reference to come to Australia (source Bounty Index AONSW reg.4/4876 Reel 1334)
Mary married James Currall (June 1823 Warwick, England - one of 10 children of Thomas Manton and Martha Dunklry) at St Stephen's Church in Bathurst 15/15/1843.
James had come to New South Wales at the age of 18 on the ship William Jardine arriving 13/12/1841. He was hired by Messers Icchist and Rodd of Bathurst and his contract lasted 2 years.
Mary was 29 years of age when she had her first child Mary Jane (1845). At this time the couple was living in Surry Hills, Sydney.
Nothing has been found on James Currall but he must have died c.1863. When Mary became a widow she and Henry married.
At some time Mary met Henry and had a child (Sophia) with him in NSW. Mary and Henry came to Qld with 2 children in the early 1850's. Mary and Henry had a further 5 children. Mary's age on her death certificate states she was 33 years of age when she married Henry. Their marriage certificate shows she was 48 years of age.
Mary, aged 85 years, died at Sandy Gallop, Ipswich. She was survived by one child from her first marriage and 5 from her second. Mary was buried on 04/07/1902 in the Church of England Section, Ipswich Cemetery. The clergyman was Rev Closs and the undertakers were Johnson Brothers. Burial No. 007016. There was no head stone. It cost 8 pounds to bury Mary, the bill being paid on 20 January 1903. Her death certificat stated she spent 6 years in NSW and 55 years in Qld.
Children:-
1. Sophia Solomon b. between 1845 and 1849 NSW, d. Mar 1933 Qld. m. Arthur William Morley 5 Dec 1888, Qld
Sophia's birth registration was recorded in NSW but it is not known if she was born there as prior to 1860 registrations were recorded there. There were 2 registrations for her, one in 1845 and one in 1849. By her death registration, she probably was born in 1849.
2. Richard James Solomon b. 1852 Ipswich, Qld d. 28 July 1904 Qld m. Annie Elizabeth Mitchell 18 Dec 1891 (b. 8 Feb 1862, Brisbane, d. 01 Aug 1972, Ipswich)
3. Jeremiah Solomon b. between 1852 - 1853 Ipswich, Qld. d. 11 Aug 1922 Oakdale Private Hospital Ipswich, Qld. (1)m. Mary Ann Murray 13 July 1880, Qld (b. bet. 1854 - 1858 Kilkenny, Ireland d. 10 Apr 1882 Nicholas Street, Ipswich Qld) (2)m. Mary Ann Ash 07 Nov 1883 Congregational Church Ipswich. d.11 May 1935, Ipswich General Hospital.
4. Sarah Solomon b. 1860 Ipswich d. 30 Jun 1905 Mackay Qld. m.Alfred Alexander Kemp 13 Mar 1884 Ipswich (b.bet.Apr - Jun 1859 Edmonton, Herdford, England, d.14 July 1921, Maclean, NSW)
5. John Henry Solomon b. 20 Oct 1857, Ipswich, Qld, d.17 March 1945 Qld.
m.Ellen Jane Dunn, 14 May 1884, Ipswich (b.01 Apr 1859, Lower Cumber, Londerry, Ireland, d. 14 Jun 1951 Qld)
6. George Howard Solomon, b.12 Oct 1861, Ipswich. d. 23 Nov 1861, Ipswich, Qld



So that's it. Please let me know if I have anything incorrect. And I hope you get something out of it.

Cheers
Amanda

[DaveHam9]

Hello Amanda,

Thank you very much. :)

I can tell from a quick read through that I'll get lots out of it. I don't have that much detail on Henry or Mary.

I'll go through it all and see if I find any queries or anything extra.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Hello Amanda,

V18452869 37A/1845 SOLOMON SOPHIA A - HENRY - MARY
V1849609 161/1849 SOLOMON SOPHIA A - HENRY - MARY

There are several possibilities re these two registrations. Details from Mary's death certificate seem to indicate she was in Queensland in 1848. So do we have 2x Sophia, one born in NSW with no death reg and one given the same name born in Queensland? Or do we have 1x Sophia born in NSW and baptised in Queensland at age 4? Or is there an error in the date of one of those reg? Age at death for Sophia indicates a birth around 1847. I have several records of early NSW registrations in my tree that have errors of 5 years in the date.

The first is on film at the library (Volumes 1 - 123A have been filmed but film quality varies) but the second is not. I can't tell from the volume numbers where the event was registered. I will try to find the 1845 one on film next week.

Regards,

Dave

[DaveHam9]

Marriages in the NSW index registered in JI= Presbyterian Bathurst 1841-1863:

V18421375 76/1842 SILVESTER JAMES COOPER MARY JI
V18421370 76/1842 MCGLAUGHLAN JAMES LANDY MARY JI
V1846308 77/1846 FRASER JAMES CANTY MARY JI
V1847105 78/1847 RAILTON JAMES GREEN MARY JI
V185040 79/1850 HARGANS JAMES JACKSON MARY A JI
V1850330 79/1850 CRONIN JAMES MURPHY MARY A JI
V185062 79/1850 BROWN JAMES BECKETT MARY A JI
V1850426 96/1850 MOONEY JAMES LYSTER MARY A JI
V1851258 80/1851 FLANAGAN JAMES BIRMINGHAM MARY JI
V1851256 80/1851 FLANAGAN JAMES BIRMINGHAM MARY JI

[DaveHam9]

'William Jardine' arrived 23/12/1841

James was listed as a gardener from Warwick. - W. Walker & Co.

For Mary the agent on one film is listed as Nicholas James & Co.

Sometimes both have 'Messrs.' as a prefix.



name: Mary Loveland
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 16 Jun 1816
baptism/christening place: HORSELL,SURREY,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George Loveland
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C03797-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 991761
reference number:

[DaveHam9]

Birth V18523535 38A/1852 SOLOMON RICHARD J HENRY MARY
Birth 1854/BBP697 Solomon Richard James Henry Mary - ** 17 Apr 1852

[DaveHam9]

groom's name: George Loveland
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Hannah Stedman
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 08 Jul 1813
marriage place: Bisley,Surrey,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M13524-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 991762
reference number:

How do we know which of several Hannah STEDMANs born around 1791 it is?


Which one is Hannah:

name: Hannah Loveland
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Female
age: 55
birthplace: Surrey
record type: Household
registration district: Chertsey
sub-district: Chobham
civil parish: Chobham
county: Surrey

name: Hannah Loveland
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Female
age: 55
birthplace: Surrey
record type: Household
registration district: Chertsey
sub-district: Chobham
civil parish: Bisley
county: Surrey

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Sep 1842
LOVELAND George Chertsey 4 51

If that is the right death - a copy would prove it - then where is George in 1841 census?

This does not fit, or does it. ???

name: George Loveland
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 21
birthplace: Surrey
record type: Household
registration district: Chertsey
sub-district: Chobham
civil parish: Horsell
county: Surrey

[DaveHam9]

SOLOMON Henry PALMER, Henry 'Charles Kerr' 1837 51/0184 CP 1 May 1851 [4/10586] 3037 - 367-368

Some details of the vessel and voyage - HERE (http://www.jenwilletts.com/ConvictShipsC.htm#Charles Kerr)


arrival: barque Charles Kerr
446 tons
Convict vessel

Master: Arnold Harford
Origin: London 1837 Jun 7
Destination: Sydney 1837 Oct 9

Date Item Details Source
primary source AO 2/8252p227 [2419]
1837 Jun 8 via Spithead cja:217, grk, ref:01

Passenger list

Surname Other names Notes Source
Hilton Lt 4th Regt cja:217
Boyle Ensign 4th Regt cja:217
Turnbull Dr 80th Regt cja:217
Turnbull Mrs and 4 children cja:217
28 rank and file 4th & 80th Regts cja:217
Abbott Highway robbery convict ref:01
...
...
Solomon Henry Stealing money convict ref:01

[DaveHam9]

arrival: barque Moffatt
Convict vessel ???
Master: Gilbert
Origin: Plymouth 1841 Jan 23
Destination: Sydney 1841 May 31


Date Item Details Source
background Alternate name "Moffat" fpc:43
primary source AO 4/4876 [1334]
primary source AO 4/4788 p36
primary source AO [2134]
and London fpc:43

Passenger list
Surname Other names Notes Source
Ronald Dr fpc:43
Hewer G, Mr fpc:43
Armstrong Mr fpc:43
Moole Mr and Miss fpc:43
Horenden Mr fpc:43
338 emigrants

[DaveHam9]

James CURRELL had come to NSW at the age of 18 on the ship 'William Jardine' arriving 23/12/1841. He had a 2-year contract to work at Bathurst after he arrived.

That bit can be verified. The marriage to Mary LOVELAND I can't find:

at St Stephen's Presbyterian Church Bathurst in 1843.

Then two years later Mary is living with Henry although he does not get his CP until 1851. I can find no trace of James after his arrival. I presume James was still alive until mid 1863 and that was the reason Mary didn't remarry until 31 Dec 1863 at Ipswich.

[gibbo]

Got his parents names, might help with a death index somewhere for him maybe.

Principal's Name: James Currall
Estimated birth year: 1813
Age in years: 28
Native place of Principal: Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Father's name: Thomas Currall
Mother's name: Martha
Spouse's name:
Native place of spouse:
Spouse's Father's name:
Spouse's Mother's name:
Ship: William Jardine
Date of arrival: 23 Dec 1841
Volume: 57
GS Number: 416871
DGS Number: 4117080
Image number: 04272

[gibbo]

Oh dear me eek) Think this might explain what happened to Currall eek)eek)

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thursday 8 January 1846

WARWICK ASSIZES. — At the August As- sizes for the county of Warwick, a young man named Currall was tried for an attempt upon the life of a young woman, named Moore. We happen to know that he arrived in this colony about five years ago, got mar- ried here, and was, we believe, in the service of Mr. Icely, and Mr. Rodd, of Bathurst. Subsequently he was (with his wife) in re- spectable employ in a gentleman's family in Sydney. But about ten months ago he shipped on board the Hamlet, Captain Wilson, as cook, and embarked for England. We copy the following report of the trial from the Lemington Courier :—" James Manton Currall was arraigned upon a charge of feloniously stabbing Louisa Moore, a servant girl of seven- teen years of age, living in the service of Mr. Lea, pawnbroker, of High-street, Warwick. There were four counts in the indictment, charging him first with having committed the offence with an intent to kill and murder her — secondly, to maim — thirdly, to disable — and fourthly, with an intent to do the prosecutrix some grievous bodily harm. Mr. Wilmore con- ducted the case for the prosecution ; the pri- soner was defended by Mr. Gale. — Mr. Gale, (upon Mr. Wilmore opening the case to the Jury) said that he could not deny any of the facts in the case, and was willing to allow a verdict to be taken on any or all the counts, except that which charged his client with a capital offence to kill and murder. His Lord- ship said he could not possibly adopt such a course. The case must go to the Jury. After Mr. Wilmore had resumed, and reiterated the facts, he called Louisa Moore : She stated as follows — I have known the prisoner upwards of six or seven years, during which time there has existed an attachment between us. He left England and went to Australia four years ago. In July last, in the course of conver- sation, he told me that if ever I went with any one else he would murder me. This was six weeks before he stabbed me. Since his return he has behaved very kind to me, and spoke to me several times about getting married. I told him I was too young and did not think of marrying yet, but I did not refuse him. I said it had better stand over. He said if it did I should be married to some one else. I said I should not. Conversations of this kind often occurred between us. I told him I should break the acquaintance of a person he had seen me talking with. After he had seen me talking to this person, he asked me if he might come and see me the next morning. I said "yes," and he came to my master's house about six o'clock. He asked me if I would do what he had been talking about. I said " what was that," and he replied, " why get married." I told him I would not do so for five or six years. He said, I said so : I again answered in the negative. He then said I should never go with any one else for he va- lued his neck no more than a chair — pointing to one he was standing by. He told my mas- ter's boy, who was there, to go into the stable. I then left and went into the sitting room. He followed me, and I told him he must not come there. I was going about my work, when he tapped me on the shoulder, and asked me if any one could tell that he had been up all night. I replied I don't think they can. He then pushed me with the left hand on my right shoulder, and pulling a knife out of his pocket, stabbed me in the left breast. I caught hold of the blade with my hand, when he drew the blade briskly through my fingers, and severely wounded them. I have now only the use of two of them. I shouted murder, the prisoner ran away, and my master took me up stairs. Cross examined : I was acquainted with him before he went to Australia. While there, I believe I have written part of one letter to him ; I have received letters in return. The letters passed more frequently since he came back. (A letter was produced which the witness admitted was written by herself. It expressed deep attachment on the part of the writer, who, it said, was sorry to see him wandering up and down so unhappy, and the epistle concluded by the prosecutrix admitting that she could never be happy without him.) Fancourt, the boy alluded to, corroborated the last witness's statement. Reynolds, a ser- vant living next door to Mrs. Lea's, proved the finding of a knife near the wall of the house. Mrs. Lea proved the condition of her servant after the unfortunate transaction. Bellerby, the Warwick constable, produced the knife, the handle of which was covered with paper and tied round with ribbon ; it was a common table knife. His statement was as follows : — I apprehended Currall and cautioned him not to say anything, but he persisted, and said, " Mr. Bellerby, is the girl dead ?" Fear- ing she might die, I took him to her presence. She immediately said, " that's the man that stabbed me." The knife was there, and he admitted that was the knife he had done it with. Mr. Steven, the assistant to Mr Wil- cox, surgeon, of High-street, Warwick, proved the nature of the wound — one inch and a half long on the upper part of the left side. It was close to the third rib, against which if the in- strument had not struck, the wound would have been fatal. The tendons of the fingers were severed. Mr. Gale urged that the pri- soner was not guilty of the capital charge. The Judge, in summing up the evidence to the Jury, remarked that the enquiry of the pri- soner was strongly indicative of his intent, for it showed pretty clearly that he conceived a possibility from what he had done that the unfortunate girl might die. He might also mention the fact that the haft of the knife being covered with paper in order to render the grasp more firm, and of his sitting, up all night (when he might have had plenty of time to think of his guilty intention,) after his ask- ing leave to come in the morning, were facts that proved the prisoner's guilt beyond any possibility of doubt. The Jury found the pri- soner guilty ; and Judgment of Death was re- corded against him. The Judge intimated that he would be transported for life.

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. :)

Did I misread the other image? Which one in in error? Is he 18 or 28?

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?Page=NRS5316/4_4782/William%20Jardine_23%20Dec%201841/4_478200068.jpg&No=4

James CURRALL a Bounty immigrant aged 18 from Warwick.

[DaveHam9]

That's curious. This does not say convict vessel.

arrival: William Jardine

Destination: Sydney 1841 Dec 23

Also the other site does not list that vessel in 1841 as a convict vessel but only as one in 1838.

[gibbo]

He come out here on the William Jardine in 1841 free then went back to England and got himself into trouble in 1845 and sent back as a convict by the looks.

Found this on him
http://foundersandsurvivors.org/pubsearch/convict/chain/c33a33870047

[DaveHam9]

Something does not add up. :2fun:

Ah. Thanks. Now it adds up. He was born in 1823.


So I wonder where the info for the marriage at Bathurst came from. I can't see it in the index.

[gibbo]

Hoy Dave,

He arrived in 1841 on the William Jardine. Got married etc etc and then he went back to England. He got into trouble over in England in 1845 and then sent back here as a convict on
Arrival Date19/May/1847
Ship China

[DaveHam9]

Currell, James Manton

Convict No: 16615
Extra Identifier:
SEE Surname:
SEE Given Names:
Voyage Ship: China
Voyage No: 370
Arrival Date: 16 May 1846
Departure Date: 04 Jan 1846
Departure Port: Woolwich
Conduct Record: CON33/1/87
Muster Roll:
Appropriation List:
Other Records:
Indent: CON17/1/2 p204
Description List:
Remarks: Off Norfolk Island per Pestongee Bomangee May 1847

So he was on Norfolk Island for about 2 years. He was in Hobart in 1853 and had his CP approved in 1854.

[DaveHam9]

http://www.beyondtheseas.co.uk/unclaimedconvictsc5.htm

James Manton Currell
Date Tried: Warwick Summer Assizes, August 1845
Transported: China 1846
Source: Petition for Clemency, from local residents. Gives when he had returned to England from abroad, and how long he had been away. Claims his offence was induced by his having been spurned in love.

[gibbo]

You think this could be his will in VIC? I only checked the VIC archives cause my convicts from Tassie turned up in VIC:rolleyes:

Vic archives wills
James Currell Cab Owner S Melb 26 Apr 1895

[DaveHam9]

Don't know. I did search the departures from Tasmania and didn't see him. Didn't see a Permission to Marry or a family.

Putting in parents as Thomas & Martha gives no hit. With no parents gives no hit. ???

1894-1895 as James/Jas CURRELL or CURRALL with no parents gives no hit. ???

[DaveHam9]

A MANTON / CURRALL tree - HERE (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Janet-A-Young/GENE1-0004.html)

Thomas & Martha - HERE (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Janet-A-Young/GENE1-0005.html#CHILD7)

Son James does not make sense:

11. iii. JAMES CURRALL, b. 21 December 1823, Northampton.

Baptism: 1825, Unitarian Chapel, Warwick
Occupation: 1851, Solicitor's Clerk, 60bb, Brook Street (Source: Census-1851)


name: James Currall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: ???
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 21 Dec 1823
birthplace: HIGH STREET PRESBYTERIAN OR UNITARIAN,WARWICK,WARWICK,ENGLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Currall
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Martha
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C07744-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0825432 (RG4 2808 )
reference number:


I'd say the author of the tree has taken this James:

name: James Currall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 Apr 1829
baptism/christening place: KINGS HEAD LANE-INDEPENDENT,NORTHAMPTON,NORTHAMPTON,ENGLAND
birth date: 29 Jun 1825
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Currall
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Elizabeth
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C07462-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0825343 (RG4 1275)
reference number:

[DaveHam9]

name: James Currall
age: 55
gender: Male
birth year: 1826
birthplace: Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Solicitors Managing Clerk
address: 50 Balsall Heath Rd
census place: Edgbaston (Warwick), Worcestershire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341707
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2954 / 33
page number: 60
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head James Currall M 55 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
wife Sophia M Currall F 52 Warwick, Warwickshire, England
son Ernest D Currall M 18 Bham, Warwickshire, England
son Walter B Currall M 17 Bham, Warwickshire, England
son Claude W Currall M 14 Bham, Warwickshire, England
son Horace A Currall M 12 Bham, Warwickshire, England
son Percy F Currall M 11 Bham, Warwickshire, England
servant Annie Fitzpatrick F 17 Leamington Priors, Warwickshire, England

[DaveHam9]

Interesting to see how wrong some published trees really are. :2fun:

James was in VDL in 1851 not in England working as a clerk. eek)

[gibbo]

But we did our homework so we know different :biggrin: Said it before and will say it again and again .... gotta love them newspapers :2fun::2fun::2fun:

James must have done a runner back to England when Mary was pregnant:rolleyes:

Tried Date6/Aug/1845

NSW birth index
V1845859 30A/1845 CURRALL MARY J JAMES MARY

[DaveHam9]

That's Mary Jane.

One more possible:

Birth ?
Death V18461701 44B/1846 CURRELL CHARLES INFANT

[gibbo]

And just when you think it cant get any more mysterious ...........:rolleyes:

Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899)
Friday 17 May 1895

STRANGE DISAPPEARANCE. -- The Mel bourne police authorities have been much exercised over the disappearance from his home at Albert Park roadlof James Currell, a cab proprietor. The latest evidence collected by Detective-Sergeant Cawsey suggests two conclusions-one that Mr Correll, for some reasons of his own, is merely hiding himself for a while, or has gone to Tasmania to visit his friends; and the second, that he has committed suicide. It appears that a mysterious skull was mistakenly identified by Mrs Currell as that of her missing husband. The enquiries are not yet complete.

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Perhaps the Will is on PROV but he didn't die in Victoria hence no sign in Vic. BDM. But is it the same James?

[gibbo]

His wife's name was Maria. The cops were checking whether he had gone to Tassie., 1901 court case over the release of his will because he hadnt been missing for 7 years and hadnt been found dead. Him and Maria separated a couple of months before he went missing.
Found a newspaper article for 1899 in Tassie for a James..

Strahan Police Court.
James Currell was charged with having ob Aogast 18 stolen front his employer, Oeorge McDonald,

Case over for him and move on with one of the others?

[DaveHam9]

Hmm. I'm lost. :2fun:

If he was not dead why does PROV say date of death of the cab driver is 1895?

[gibbo]

I've been reading all the newspaper articles on him:biggrin: He had his will done up a month before he went missing so i guess when the courts allowed the will to be released they probably had the date he went missing as his date of death.... only my theory :biggrin: He left his wife nothing, left everything to his 4 daughters. Read his will to i have:rolleyes:
Personally i wouldnt be surprised if his death index was in Tassie but whether it has his parents names to confirm it i guess we wont know.

Totally interesting story whether his yours or not ;)

[gibbo]

Dave do you realise that if we find his death we would have solved a 117 year old mystery that made headlines in 1895:biggrin:

Well think we would have, no one else seems to have any more info on from when he married.

[DaveHam9]

:2fun: :2fun: :2fun:

I've read his Will and probate papers too. All about 'nisi' and 'absolute' and other stuff. :rolleyes:

I think the author of that tree would like to know what happened to James. :2fun:

[gibbo]

They obviously didnt read the newspapers :2fun::2fun:

You think it would be worth seeing if ole mate has the Tassie bmd's and see if on the off chance there is a death and marriage for him in either Tassie and/or VIC? I think we should, why come this far and do nothing with the info:2fun::2fun:

[DaveHam9]

Yes, why not. It will be Wednesday or Thursday before I get to State Library.

Remember to suggest CURRELL and CURRALL. :) Born 1823.

[DaveHam9]

Thinking about James in Hobart in 1854 just getting approval for his Conditional Pardon. Mary and Henry ended up in Queensland about 1848 but they didn't marry until 31 Dec 1863 - why? It had been assumed that Mary had to wait until 3 months after James had died. But would they even have known he had gone back to England, been convicted and transported to VDL?

I should rename this "3 missing births and a death" :)

[gibbo]

Maybe James wouldnt divorce her :confused: If one partner was in a different country they could have re married after 7 years but with them both been in Australia and even tho James was a convict maybe she couldnt marry again unless he divorced her or he died. It could also give a clue maybe he agreed to a divorce around 1863 so he could remarry :confused:

[DaveHam9]

Well, I can't even find the 1843 marriage in Bathurst.

Mary could have simply told the minister in Ipswich that she was a spinster.

I have NSW marriages I've found on film where I know it's the 2nd marriage for bride or groom and they are listed as spinster and bachelor.

[gibbo]

I cant find a marriage neither for Mary and James. Maybe they didnt marry:confused: Or married else where :confused:

Email sent

[DaveHam9]

Ok thanks.

I will search the films of the related births and deaths tomorrow afternoon. I'll also look for that marriage on film. The local library has the full set of films of the NSW 'V' records Vol. 1 to Vol. 123A.

Catch you tomorrow. :)

[gibbo]

Ok see you tomorrow:)

[gibbo]

Looks like your Mary Loveland and James never married:rolleyes: Maybe she stated she had married James, as not to let on she had a child outside of marriage. No one would be any the wiser back then. Hence her marriage in QLD been under the Currall name.
1863/C0179 Currall Mary Solomon Henry

Found this dated 1852 and she is noted as Miss Mary Loveland..

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Monday 2 August 1852

IF Miss MARY LOVELAND, who arrived in Sydney in 1840 or 1841, per ship Moffat, or Earl Grey, and did live with Mrs. John Sterling, Surry Hills, near Sydney, ia 1845, will send her address to Mr. WILLIAM Ï. COADE, Carrick, Van Diemen's Land, «he »ill hear of something which materially affects her interest, and to her advantage.

WILLIAM P. COADE. Carrick, Yan Diemen's Land,


James was recommended for his CP [newspaper article]in August 1852 as well, the same time as the above article was printed.
He was granted his ticket of leave in April 1853 [newspaper article]

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. :)

I will search Vol. 86 of the 1843 marriage register later today.

Looks as though I'll have to take back my bit about Mary not knowing James was in VDL.


This is curious too. Two registrations for same child but different name:

Birth 7379/1857 CURRELL JOHN H - father? - MARY - IPSWICH
Birth 1857/C01012 Solomon John Henry - Henry - Mary Currell formerly Lovenland

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo. :)

I will search Vol. 86 of the 1843 marriage register later today.

Looks as though I'll have to take back my bit about Mary not knowing James was in VDL.


This is curious too. Two registrations for same child but different name:

Birth 7379/1857 CURRELL JOHN H - father? - MARY - IPSWICH
Birth 1857/C01012 Solomon John Henry - Henry - Mary Currell formerly Lovenland


"Curious" shouldnt surprise you none :2fun::2fun:
If Mary and Solomon werent married at the time of birth maybe the child was registered under Mary's name and then it was altered to have the father's name noted :confused:

[DaveHam9]

It seems to indicate that Mary did marry James.

The Qld. BMD don't indicate if a change has been made.

[gibbo]

Ole mate just emailed me back with the look up.

This is all he could find for marriage ... Dont know if his ours tho:confused: Why didnt they put their age:rolleyes:

Surname: CURRELL
Given Names: Jas
Event: M
Sex: M
Spouse Surname/Father: HANSON
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria
Age:
Age Code:
Birth Place: ENGLAND
Death Place:
Year: 1891
Reg. Number: 4167

Death
Surname: CURRELL
Given Names: Marie
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: BWK
Age: 81
Age Code:
Year: 1924
Reg Number: 13228
Event: D

[juliejtp]

Hi,

NSW assisted passenger list.

Mary Loveland born abt 1816 Horsall Surrey travelled on the Moffatt arrival date 31 May 1841. Daughter of George and Hanna-

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie. Confirmation. That's where we got George and Hannah.

This is the record I found:

principal's name: Mary Loveland
estimated birth year: 1816
age in years: 25
native place of principal: Horsell, Surrey, England
father's name: George Loveland
mother's name: Anna
spouse's name:
native place of spouse:
spouse's father's name:
spouse's mother's name:
ship: Moffatt
date of arrival: 21 May 1841 ?
volume: 52
gs number: 416874
dgs number: 4117086
image number: 02660

[DaveHam9]

Well, gibbo, that fits with one newspaper article with Maria. But is it the same James? I think not with the marriage date so long after 1852.

So we have nothing on James after 1854 Hobart as appearing on his convict record.

[gibbo]

Well, gibbo, that fits with one newspaper article with Maria. But is it the same James? I think not with the marriage date so long after 1852.


Yes i was wondering the same thing. Maybe we didnt solve a 117 year old mystery after all :2fun::2fun::2fun: As usual i took you on a long story ride tho:biggrin:

[DaveHam9]

I had my doubts about the cab driver. :D

Born 1823 died after 1854. Middle name Manton. Parents Thomas & Martha.

[gibbo]

I had my doubts about the cab driver. :D

Born 1823 died after 1854. Middle name Manton. Parents Thomas & Martha.


I didnt even know they had cabs back then :2fun::2fun:

Ok back to square one with James :biggrin:

[gibbo]

I found this

Name: Mary Jane CURRELL
Surname: Currell
Given Name: Mary Jane
_MARNM: JOHNSTON
Sex: F
Birth: 26 Jun 1845 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Death: 22 Oct 1916 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Burial: 23 Oct 1916 Toowong Cemetery, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Note:
Christened: Parish of St. Lawrence CofE. When Mary was born in 1845 the usual abode of parents was given as Surrey Hills & James occupation was gardner

James wasnt even here when the baby was born. He left the country in Feb 1845:rolleyes: The ship Hamlet as stated in the newspaper article in post #36

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Friday 7 February 1845
DEPARTURE.

February 6.-Hamlet, barque, Captain Wil- son, for London. Passengers-Mr. Thomas Walker, Mrs. Walker and turee children, Miss Sophia Hill, Miss Pagan, Mr. and Mrs. li. Drako and female servant, Mr. Leslie Moody, Mrs. Wilson and female servant, Mr. James Ramsay, Mr. S. E. Hayes, surgeon, Mr. E. Humphrey, Mrs. Cox and two sons, Mr. George Waters, Mrs. Waters, Mr. Bnufield, Mr. Peter Downes, Mr. James Clmmberlain, Mr. W. Ribbard, MTS Hall, Mr. Platon, Miss Elliott,Mr. Kitson, Mr. Harvey, Mr. T. Carney, Mrs. D.iy, Mr. Owen Conway, Mr. Thomn«! Pierce, Mr. W. Eastick, Mrs. Bassick, Mr. AY \. ilson, , Mr. James Chalmer, Mr. J. M'Dow eil, Mr. 1 James D. Monies Mr. James Currell, Mr. J. B.Taylor, and Mibs E. Ilarway.

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. ;)

I've just taken this off his convict record. Says he is single. Also coincidence it is Maria. eek) The newspaper article sad it was a Louisa Moore.

CON17/1/2 Image 202
CURRELL James Manton Height: 5 5 3/4 Age: 23 Trade or Calling: Ho. Servant and Cook Native Place: Warwick Married or Single: S Children: - Religion: C. E. Read or Write: Both Relations-Apprenticeship-Where Last Residing: -F. Thomas -M. Martha -B. Samuel, Thomas, Henry, Jonah, James -S. Martha, Eliza, Jane, Amelia, Helen - A.P. ? - Uncle John Daley in N. America. offences: Stabbing Maria Moon - through jealousy - Went out to Sydney in the Wm. Jardine and ... ?... ? there 6 years - Retd. to England in purpose to marry her.

The '6 years' is not that accurate.

[DaveHam9]

One of several Wills in Tasmania for a CURRELL:

Currell Edwin 1887 AD960/1/16 200 3311

Spouse Emma Laura - Will dated 1913.

Ok, he is not connected:

CURRELL, EDWIN
Gender: Male
Birth 1835 -
Marriage/Relationship: 1865 - HOBART, Tasmania ( TAYLOR, EMMA LAURA )
Death:

James is not listed in the Family index and he does not appear in the Departures index.

[gibbo]

Oh what a mess all this is:rolleyes:

So no marriage for James and Mary can be found....... he states he is single .... he also states he went back to England to marry the other girl.

I still dont think he married Mary at all. I would love to know where the marriage info 1843 and Bathurst was found.

[gibbo]

Ok i checked the english newspapers and found this to help confirm the name of the girl. So we have Louisa Moore, Maria Moon and Maria Moore. I wonder if Maria Moon should have been Moore, spelling error maybe??

DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE .
The Bristol Mercury (Bristol, England), Saturday, July 19, 1845; Issue 2887

[DaveHam9]

Oh what a mess all this is:rolleyes:

So no marriage for James and Mary can be found....... he states he is single .... he also states he went back to England to marry the other girl.

I still dont think he married Mary at all. I would love to know where the marriage info 1843 and Bathurst was found.

Yes, yes, YES. :2fun:

I looked at the film of Vol. 76 and most of the marriages were held at Sydney with a few at Melbourne and Goulburn and Portland. The few at Bathurst were all not on the printed forms but on pieces of paper stuck into the register. I went through all 1843 and to January 1844 and did not see the marriage.

[gibbo]

Even if we dont find anything on James after the 1850's we have found more on him than anyone else has before. Another mini series candidate this fella:biggrin:

I have discounted the missing cab driver as been him :rolleyes::2fun::2fun:

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Mini-series. Glad you have dumped the cab driver. :biggrin:

We need the 15/15/1843 date sorted. When I know the day and month I'll have another look at the film.

His convict record has his trade/calling as house servant and cook. He signed on as cook on the vessel back to England.

Also seems he was working with Mary as a servant in a household in Surry Hills. I didn't get as far as looking for the baptism record for daughter Mary Jane on film. I think it will mention Surry Hills and gardener.

[DaveHam9]

That's Mary Jane.

One more possible:

Birth ?
Death V18461701 44B/1846 CURRELL CHARLES INFANT

I looked for that on film today and didn't find it. The burials went up to No. 1673 and the next image started at No. 1702. However it looks like it's unrelated because that batch was for Norfolk Island.

[DaveHam9]

Who is this?

Death 1906/C01151 Loveland Henry - - Mary Loveland

[gibbo]

Who is this?

Death 1906/C01151 Loveland Henry - - Mary Loveland


Birth 1905/C2479 Henry Loveland Mary Jane Loveland

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks gibbo. ;)

Explain that one please. :biggrin:

Is that Mary Jane CURRELL married name JOHNSTON?

Death 1916/C04838 Johnston Mary Jane

[gibbo]

Ok, thanks gibbo. ;)

Explain that one please. :biggrin:

Is that Mary Jane CURRELL married name JOHNSTON?

Death 1916/C04838 Johnston Mary Jane


Nah Mary Jane was born in 1846 so she would have been to old to have kids in 1905.

[DaveHam9]

I think I'd better give up on Mary's children.

I'll stop when we get to 99 posts. :2fun:

[gibbo]

Ok so where to now? You find the 3 missing births or where you up to with them?

[DaveHam9]

Hmm. :biggrin:

Dunno. I'd better go back to post #1.

[DaveHam9]

We have no birth for William Henry. Don't even know if it is in England or Ireland. No arrival found.

We have a birth for Sophia in 1845 or 1849 NSW Reg - not found on film yet.

We have a probable birth for Mary Ann in England. A possible arrival.

Queensland, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1848-1912

Name: Maria Weatherby
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1863
Ship Name: Albany
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Port of Arrival: Bowen
Arrival Date: 4 Dec 1882

No image available

or this one:

WEATHERLY Mary 19 Quetta 28 May 1883 IMM/117 823 Z1960 M1699

[gibbo]

Ok your William Henry Bond :biggrin:

Is this his first marriage? :confused:

1879/C101 Hamilton Annie Bond William Henry

[DaveHam9]

Yes, but I think maybe we should deal with it in another topic. :)

I can't count past 99.

[gibbo]

Ok :biggrin: