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DaveHam9

20th August 2009, 22:16

Hello crankypants,

Time for half of the "S" now.

Charles SPACKMAN b. 1826 d. 1885 Gullen

married 1857 Goulburn

Sarah SMITH b. 1838 NSW Died in Crookwell Hospital 31 Oct 1934

20307/1934 STAPLETON SARAH 98 YRS CROOKWELL CROOKWELL

2nd marriage
3723/1890 STAPLETON MICHAEL SHACKMAN SARAH GOULBURN

Son
John Joseph b. 1859 Goulburn d. 1947 Young

married 1886 Crookwell

Ellen O'NEILL b. 1864 d. 1933 Goulburn

son
Herbert Patrick b. 1887 Goulburn d. 1953 Parramatta

married 1914 Crookwell

Charlotte Elizabeth STORRIER b. 1879 Goulburn d. 1925 Crookwell

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Francis SOUTHALL b. 1860 d. 1921 Wellington

married 1891 Bathurst

Anne RUNCIMAN b. 1861 d. 1924 Mudgee

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

23rd August 2009, 23:24

Hi Dave

1870-71 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Argyle
SPACKMAN Charles, Gullen, freehold
SPACKMAN John, Mummel, residence

1878-79 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Argyle
SPACKMAN Charles, Gullen, freehold
SPACKMAN John, Mummel, freehold
SPACKMAN Stephen, Dixon’s Meadows, residence

(included others on same page)
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Cannot find John Joseph & Ellen anywhere, did they leave the country?
Found one John Spackman, no Ellen in 1930. As she died in Goulburn I searched all of Werriwa division still no luck.:mad:

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Pomeroy
SPACKMAN John, Gurrundah, farmer
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Herbert under Hubert, could only find him in 1930.:mad:

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Crookwell
SPACKMAN Hubert Patrick, Goulburn street, Crookwell, carter
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1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Robertson – Wellington
SOUTHALL Annie, Simpson-street, domestic duties
SOUHALL Francis, Simpson-street, labourer

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd August 2009, 23:49

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Hubert in birth reg and Herbert in death reg.

I doubt John & Ellen left the Goulburn, Young, Crookwell area.

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John T SULLIVAN b. ? d. ?

married 1916 Chatswood

Ada Hilda BENSLEY b. 1895 Crookwell d. 1965 Dubbo

1930 Gwydir 1936 Darling

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Fitzroy STEPHEN b. abt 1896 ? d. 1978 ?

1930 Reid 1936 Cowper

married 1918 Paddington

Illa Irene GRIBBLE b. 1888 Woonona d. 1967 Gosford
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Eric Clymer STOTT b. 1895 Kew d. 1970 Vic. ?

married 1922 Camberwell

Annie Marjorie PERDRIAU b. 1898 Ryde d. 1980 SA
(or Marjorie Annie)

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 00:07

Hello crankypants,

Paul Clymer STOTT (’41) was born at Hawthorn on 23 March 1923, the son of a Commercial Traveller, and attended Scotch in 1938. He served in the AIF from 1941–46 and was a Lance Corporal in the NGF Headquarters. Paul followed his father Eric (1910–?; died 13 June 1970) to Scotch.

No death in South Australia to 1972 so if Eric did die on 13 Jun 1970 it was probably in Victoria.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 00:26

Hello crankypants,

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) Saturday 29 July 1922
MARRIAGES
STOTT-PERDRIAU -On the 28th June, at Trinity Presbyterian Church, Camberwell, by the Rev P J Murdoch, Eric Clymer, youngest son of Mr. W. C. Stott and the late Mary Jane Stott, stepson of Dorothea Stott, "Lorraine" North Brighton, to Marjorie, only daughter of Mrs E. C. Perdriau, and the late Mr. E. C. Perdriau, "Rosetrevoir" [?] East Camberwell.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th August 2009, 00:31

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Gwydir – Dubbo
SULLIVAN Ada Hilda, Kennedy street, Dubbo, home duties
SULLIVAN John Thomas, Kennedy street, Dubbo, guard

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Darling – Dubbo
SULLIVAN Ada Hilda, 149 Fitzroy street, Dubbo, home duties
SULLIVAN John Thomas, 149 Fitzroy street, Dubbo, guard
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Reid – Granville
STEPHEN Fitzroy, 81 Cowper street, labourer
STEPHEN Illa Irene, 81 Cowper street, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cowper – Taree
STEPHEN Fitzroy, 8 Eric street, Taree, railway employee
STEPHEN Illa Irene, 8 Eric street, home duties
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1924 VIC Electoral Roll – Kooyong - Camberwell
STOTT Annie Marjorie, 58 Canterbury rd, Camberwell, home d.
STOTT Eric Clymer, 58 Canterbury rd, C’well, com. tvlr.

1931 VIC Electoral Roll – Kooyong - Camberwell
STOTT Annie Marjorie, “Namarong” Bellavista rd, Glen Iris, h.d
STOTT Eric Clymer, “Namarong” Bellavista rd, Glen Iris, trav.

1936 VIC Electoral Roll – Kooyong - Camberwell
STOTT Annie Marjorie, “Namarong” Bellavista rd, Glen Iris, h.d
STOTT Eric Clymer, “Namarong” Bellavista rd, Glen Iris, trav.
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VIC BDM has a death in 1970 for Eric Clymer STOTT

Possible death for John Thomas SULLIVAN
9348/1938 SULLIVAN JOHN THOMAS PATRICK ISABEL DUBBO

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 00:47

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 00:49

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Yes a possible one, but there is this birth:

23147/1891 SULLIVAN JOHN T DAVID MARY MUDGEE

and this death also:

5892/1976 SULLIVAN JOHN THOMAS DAVID MARY

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Joseph SMITH b. abt 1853 Yorkshire d. 3 Aug 1898 ?

married 1874 Bradford, WRY

Martha Jane HODGSON b. 1853 Kettlewell d. 1927 Petersham

Daughter:

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta - Beecroft
BARRACLOUGH Annie Prest, Beecroft road, Cheltenham, home duties
BARRACLOUGH Norman Joseph, Askham, Beecroft rd, Cheltenham, clerk
BARRACLOUGH William John, Beecroft road, Cheltenham. mint. operator

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

24th August 2009, 03:56

Hi Dave

Have you any other information on Joseph SMITH, some idea where they lived before 1898. Lots of J. SMITH & Joseph SMITH on Sands Directory, too hard to know which is yours.

As Joseph may of died around 1898, will focus on Martha Jane.

So far have checked the Dalley Division 1903 E/R for Martha Jane and her daughter Annie Prest because Annie's husband is living in Leichhardt. They are not in this division.

Checked Parkes Division for Martha as she died in Petersham, still no luck.

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 04:08

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. Sorry, I have no other info. I have Joseph's death from a source but can't confirm the reg:

356/1898 SMITH JOSEPH JAMES MARGARET SYDNEY ?
8101/1898 SMITH JOSEPH THOMAS MARY SYDNEY ?

However neither of those may be the one because of this likely marriage:

Marriages Dec 1847
Prest Ann Malton 24 495
SMITH William Malton 24 495

The information that Joseph was born in 1853 in Bradford could be wrong so his date of death of 3 Aug 1898 could be wrong as well. Just one of many puzzles in my tree. :D

NEW SOUTH WALES 1903 Electoral Roll
Sex Surname FirstNames State Address Town RollNum Division SubDivision Occupation
F Barraclough Annie Prest NSW Austenham Rd Lilyfield 53 Dalley Long Cove Domestic Duties
M Barraclough William John NSW Austenham Rd Leichhardt 324 Dalley Leichhardt Operative, Royal Mint

The year of their marriage but not yet living together. :confused:

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 04:22

Hello crankypants,

William Adam SYME b. ? d.?

1930 Warringah

married 1918 Hornsby

Hazel PERDRIAU b. 1889 Balmain d. ?

Hazel must have gone to England with siblings Adele and Gwynne because I believe she met her future spouse there:

THE LONDON GAZETTE, 22 MARCH, 1927
Flying Officer William Adam SYME is transferred from Class B to Class C. 16th Mar. 1927.

ADM 273/29/257 Details for this reference Page 257: William Adam Syme. RNAS Officers Service 1914-1918

Hazel's spouse is not William Allan SYME:

Enlisted Melbourne, Vic 6 Aug 1915 - S/N 3924 14th Btn - 26 yrs Stawell, Vic. Farmer - NOK mother Mrs Elizabeth Syme living at Tennyson St St Kilda, Vic. - Embarked Melbourne, Vic. HMAT A40 'Ceramic' 23 Nov 1915 - Served in N Africa & France - Promoted to 2/Lieut 12 Mar 1916 - Returned to Australia per 'Beltana' 19 Jul 1919 - Died 1924 ?

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 04:55

Hello crankypants,

I put a fishing exercise in the 1861 census for Joseph SMITH even though I know the name is rather common. I'm following the PREST name to see if it yields something.

Marriages Dec 1847
Prest Ann Malton 24 495
SMITH William Malton 24 495

:2fun: I just found another spanner or two!!

Death # 7168/1927 SMITH MARTHA J EDMUND ANN PETERSHAM

Marriages Jun 1844
Hodgson Edmund Skipton 23 541
Prest Ann Skipton 23 541
Tomlinson John Skipton 23 541
Tomlinson Susanna Skipton 23 541

So, did Ann marry Edmund and the PREST came from Annie's mother's side not her father's side? If so, then that marriage in Malton is a red herring and one of the two 1898 death reg must be correct for Joseph.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th August 2009, 05:13

Hi Dave

U.K DEATH INDEX 1984-2005
Name: William Adam Syme
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1984
Age at death (estimated): 95
Registration district: New Forest
Inferred County: Hampshire, New Forest
Volume: 20
Page: 354

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Warringah – Neutral Bay
SYME Christina, Kelwyn Flats, Bertha road, home duties
SYME Hazel, Kelwyn Flats, Bertha road, art dealer
SYME William Adam, Kelwyn Flats, Bertha road, manufacturer

U.K Incoming Passenger List 1878-1960
Name: William Syme
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 46
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 5 Dec 1935
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: New York and Cherbourg
Ship Name: Hamburg
Search Ship Database: View the 'Hamburg' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Hamburg Amerika Linie
Official Number: DHJZ

(image reads)
Class: Tourist
Address in U.K: 64 Dancer Rd. London
Last Permanent Residence: Australia
Occupation: Manufacturer

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 05:31

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Oh, I didn't realise the UK Death Index went that far. :D Now I'll have some more UK death queries for you. Can you see Hazel's death there? I can't see it in Ryerson.

I can't see William's birth in 1889 in the Index so I wonder if he was born in Scotland or...?

Now, I wonder if Hazel travelled to England and they met there or if William travelled to Australia and they met here?

Also, the 4th sibling Elma PERDRIAU is in Warringah ER 1930 and 1936.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 05:38

Hello crankypants,

Oh, Christina can't be a daughter so I wonder if she is William's sibling or mother?

I wonder if this is her death:

32323/1958 SYME CHRISTINA BLACKWOOD ROBERT CHRISTINA BLACKWOOD HAMILTON

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th August 2009, 06:42

Hi Dave

Thought I'd check out that address on the U.K incoming passenger list and found this family in 1911 U.K census.

64 Dancer Road, Richmond, Surrey
SYME William 1862 age 49 LARBERT, SCOTLAND
SYME Ann 1865 age 46 GLASGOW, SCOTLAND
SYME Christina 1904 age 7
SYME Ronald 1906 age 5

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th August 2009, 06:55

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I guess that is William Adam's parents and two younger siblings.

I still can't find his birth in UK.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th August 2009, 08:25

Hi Dave

Found William's sister returning to the U.K in 1932.

U.K Incoming Passenger List 1878-1960
Name: Miss Christina Syme
Birth Date: abt 1904
Age: 28
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 20 Jun 1932
Port of Arrival: Hull, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney, Hobart, Melbourne, Adelaide, Fremantle, Colombo, Port Said, Malta, London, Southampton
Ship Name: Hobsons Bay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Hobsons Bay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 151802

(address on image is 64 Dancer Road, Richmond, occ, home duties)

cheers
crankypants

crankypants

25th August 2009, 03:31

Hi Dave

1901 U.K census
C.P: St George Hanover Square
E.P: St Barnabas
County: London
ED: Chelsea Barracks

SYME Annie, wife m 1865 age 36 Glasgow, Scotland
SYME Wm Adam, son 1891 age 10 Chelsea, London
SYME Alexander Geo, son 1896 age 5 Chelsea, London

1891 U.K census
C.P: New Windsor
E.P: New Windsor
County: Berkshire
ED: Victoria or the Infantry Barracks including the Castle Gaurds

SYME William, Lee Corporal 1862 age 29 Soldier Foot Guard Scotland
SYME Annie, wife 1865 age 26 Scotland
SYME Mary, daur 1887 age 4 London
SYME Eathel, daur 1889 age 2 Ireland (looks like Rachel)
SYME William, son 1890 age 1 Chelsea, London

NOTE
(William SYME b. 1862 was born in Larbert, Scotland. parents Adam & Jane)

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

25th August 2009, 07:35

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Great work! :D v:D

I did notice as I searched in IGI that SYME is more common in Scotland. I did think they met in England. Any sign of Hazel's arrival in UK?

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

25th August 2009, 08:07

Hello crankypants,

The next three:

Alfred Adino SOAR b. 1893 Chesterfield, England d. 1972 Bexley

married 1917 Sydney

Ethel May WHITTLE b. 1882 Newtown d. 1965 Rockdale

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Winifred Alice STUART b. 1891 Redfern d. 1941 Randwick

married 1925 Ashfield

Raymond Charles R SALMON b. 1893 St Peters d. 1968 Ryde

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Frank Osborne SECOMB b. 1888 Kempsey d. 1954 Kempsey

married 1921 Burwood

Jessie Mildred WHITEMAN b. 1886 Camden d. 1967 Balmain

I'm not sure if Frank is related to the Methodist minister Herbert Garfield SECOMB, DD (22.6.1886- 22.7.1980). Herbert was born in Horsham the son of William & Sarah. Frank's parents were Thomas & Jane.

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

26th August 2009, 01:54

Hi Dave

Well I am of the belief that Hazel SYME was abducted by aliens. We can only hope the aliens release there own census/electoral roll soon.:D
So why did William Adam SYME return to England alone. Did they separate.
Do you know if they had any children.?

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Barton - Kogarah
SOAR Alfred, 46 Francis street, lift driver
SOAR Ethel May, 46 Francis street, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Warringah - Mosman
SOAR Alfred, 4A Hale road, gardener
SOAR Ethel May, 4A Hale road, home duties
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta - Epping
SALMON Raymond Charles Rickert, C’ford rd, Epping, insurance clerk
SALMON Winifred Alice, C’ford rd, Epping, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Watson - Coogee
SALMON Raymond Charles Rickert, 133 Oberon street, insur. inspector
SALMON Winifred Alice, 133 Oberon street, home duties
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cowper – Kempsey East
SECOMB Frank Osborne, Lord street, East Kempsey, farmer
SECOMB Jessie Mildred, Lord street, East Kempsey, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cowper – Kempsey East
SECOMB Frank Osborne, Lord street, East Kempsey, farmer
SECOMB Jessie Mildred, Lord street, East Kempsey, home duties
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cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

26th August 2009, 02:10

Hello crankypants,

I hope you are good at reading alien scripts :2fun:

I don't know if they had any children. Hazel is in the ER in 1930 in Warringah but I don't know where she died or if they
separated. Two possibilities I guess. William came to Australia and they married and he went back to England and Hazel never left Sydney. Or Hazel was in England like her sisters and met William there, then they married in Australia and then they both went back to England.

Thanks. So Frank Osborne SECOMB was not a minister. I guess he is not related then.

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Andrew SCOBIE b. 1874 Scotland d. 1935 ? probably

married 1917 Sydney

Alice Angela STORRIER b. 1886 Hilston d. 1958 Sydney

ER 1930 West Sydney

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

26th August 2009, 04:06

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – West Sydney- Glebe
SCOBIE Alice Angela, 23 Elger street, home duties
SCOBIE Andrew, 23 Elger street, labourer

No sign of Alice in 1936?eek)

N.S.W Sands Directory
1898
SCOBIE Andrew, Enmore rd, Marrickville
1900
SCOBIE Andrew, 29 Bedford st, Newtown
1905
SCOBIE Andrew, 73 Iredale st, Newtown
1913-1916
SCOBIE Andrew, River st, Canterbury
1921-1926
SCOBIE Andrew, 16 Elger st, Glebe

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

26th August 2009, 05:05

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I was wondering that too. Looks as though Andrew died in 1935:

Death # 5370/1935 SCOBIE ANDREW ANDREW JANET SYDNEY

No doubt this is Alice, so she didn't remarry:

Death # 16098/1958 SCOBIE ALICE ANGELA WALTER CATHERINE SYDNEY

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

26th August 2009, 05:14

Hello crankypants,

Thomas SLOANE b. ? d. ?

married 1852 Parramatta

Mary Ann CAVILLON b. 1830 Parramatta d. 1910 Waterloo

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Laura M SWEENEY b. 1888 Campbelltown d. 1919 Redfern

married 1908 Waterloo

George William G WHITTLE b. 1892 Newtown d. 1971

1930 & 1936 Barton

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Walter James SEABROOK b. 1882 Coonabarrabrananabranan d. 1926 Sydney

married 1924 Sydney

Dorothy Florence GANDON b. abt 1878 d. 1936 Sydney

ER 1930 East Sydney 1936 Wentworth

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

DaveHam9

26th August 2009, 06:36

Hello crankypants,

Sorry, I missed the death for Thomas SLOANE. He died 1865 Parramatta and Mary Ann married Charles A DAY in 1869 Sydney. Charles died in 1934 in Nyngan.

They had one son Frederick C N DAY b. 1871 Parramatta d. ?

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

27th August 2009, 03:41

Hi Dave

Nothing found on Thomas Sloane

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Darling - Nyngan
DAY Charles Alfred, Woodlands, Grahweed Siding, grazier

Closest match for son Frederick C N DAY b. 1871 Parramatta

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – New England - Armidale
DAY Frederick Charles, 139 Faulkner street, Armidale, carter
DAY Victoria Adeline, 139 Faulkner street, Armidale, home duties
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Barton - Kogarah
WHITTLE Amy Georgina, 25 Francis street, home duties
WHITTLE George William Garfield, 25 Francis street, cabinetmaker

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Barton - Kogarah
WHITTLE Amy Georgina, 2 Francis street, home duties
WHITTLE George William Garfield, 27 Francis street, cabinetmaker
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eat Sydney - Paddington
SEABROOK Dorothy Florence, 3 William street, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth - Waverley
SEABROOK Dorothy Florence, 10 Denison street, home duties
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cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

27th August 2009, 04:14

Hello crankyypants,

Thank you very much.

Eleanot T SLEE b. 1886 d. 1967 St Leonards

married 1912 Granville

Norman Stanley PERDRIAU b. 1886 d. 1968 Killara

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George Victor SIDMAN b. 1879 d. 1953 Chatswood

ER Werriwa

married 1911 Burwood

Alice Gertrude WHITEMAN b. 1879 Camden d. 1959 Chatswood

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Alice Mary STUTCHBURY b. 1869 Paddington d. 1932 Killara

married 1893 Randwick

Frederick Edwin PENFOLD b. 1865 Paddington d. 1952 Chatswood

ER 1930 N Sydney 1936 Parramatta

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

27th August 2009, 05:31

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Sands Directory
PERDRIAU N.S, 14 Powell st, Killara

1932 N.S.W Sands Directory
PERDRIAU N.S, 53 Nelson st, Gordon

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Martin - Gordon
PERDRIAU Eleanor Thilthorpe, 53 Nelson street, Gordon, h. duties
PERDRIAU Norman Stanley, 53 Nelson street, Gordon, coy. secretary

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta - Gordon
PERDRIAU Eleanor Thilthorpe, 53 Nelson street, Gordon, h. duties
PERDRIAU Norman Stanley, 53 Nelson street, Gordon, coy. secretary
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1911-1913 N.S.W Sands Directory
SIDMAN G V, sec, Cycle Club, Camden

1924-1926 N.S.W Sands Directory
SIDMAN G.V, Camden News, Camden

1929-1932 N.S.W Sands Directory
SIDMAN G.V, J.P, Camden News, Camden

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Camden
SIDMAN Alice Gertrude, Hill street, Camden home duties
SIDMAN George Victor, Hill street, Camden, printer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa – Camden
SIDMAN Alice Elizabeth, Carinya, Menangle rd, Camden, h. duties
SIDMAN Alice Gertrude, Carinya, Menangle rd, Camden, home duties
SIDMAN George Victor, Carinya, Menangle rd, Camden, printer
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1898-1917 N.S.W Sands Directory
PENFOLD F.E, Victoria st, Roseville

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney – Crow’s Nest
PENFOLD Alice Gweneth, 70 Bay road, N.S, home duties
PENFOLD Alice Mary, 70 Bay road, N.S, home duties
PENFOLD Edwin Thomas, 70 Bay road, N.S, printer
PENFOLD Frederick Edwin, 70 Bay road, N.S, printer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Turramurra
PENFOLD Edith Pillars, Buronga, Heydon ave, Warrawee, home duties
PENFOLD Frederick Edwin, Buronga, Heydon ave, Warrawee, printer
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crankypants

DaveHam9

27th August 2009, 05:50

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Valeria H SAVAGE b. 1893 d. 1921 Narrandera

married 1914 grenfell

John Austin STORRIER b. 1888 Hillston d. 1955 Chatswood

ER 1930 & 1936 Riverina

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John Joseph W SPROULE b. 1892 Kiama d. 1962 Sydney

ER ?

married 1925 Coolamon

Irene Elizabeth STINSON b. 1903 d. 1947 Rockdale

ER 1930 Riverina & Eden Monaro 1936 Eden Monaro

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Fanny SWITSON b. 1863 Sydney d. 1939 Chatswood

married 1884 Goulburn

Owen William FURNER b. 1861 Camden d.1938 Liverpool

ER 1914 Batman ? 1930 Werriwa 1936 N Sydney

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

28th August 2009, 03:37

Hi Dave

Possible 2nd marriage for John in 1930.
4249/1930 STORRIER JOHN A SUTCLIFFE GLADYS NARRANDERA

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Riverina - Narrandera
STORRIER John Austin, Railway Siding, Corobimilla, rail. employee

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Riverina – Narrandera
STORRIER Gladys, Jonsen street, Narrandera, home duties
STORRIER John Austin, Jonsen street, Narrandera, railway employee
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This is the only Irene Elizabeth SPROULE I could find with a Wallace, maybe he used a middle name only?

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Riverina – Coolamon
SPROULE Irene Elizabeth, North Berry Jerry, home duties
SPROULE Wallace Public School, North Berry Jerry, teacher

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro - Kiama
SPROULE Irene Elizabeth, Tullimbar, Albion Park, home duties
SPROULE Wallace Tullimbar, Albion Park, teacher
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Owen on his own in three e/r's.

1914 VIC Electoral Roll – Batman - Gertrude
FURNER Owen William, 26 Nicholson st, Fitzroy, traveller

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Camden
FURNER Owen William, Menangle road, Camden, salesman

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Naremburn
FURNER Owen William, 110A Chandos street, home duties?

Found one Fanny FURNER in 1936.?

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Warringah - Manly
FURNER Fanny, 4 Camera street, home duties

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

28th August 2009, 04:05

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Yes, it looks like a 2nd marriage for John. That's one the STORRIER researchers missed.

35293/1960 STORRIER GLADYS WILLIAM WASHINGTON MARY GRACE NARRANDERA

I can't find her birth in NSW.
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Looks like John used his middle name Wallace in later years.
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I think the Fanny is the spouse because I know of no Fanny FURNER. There are lots of Francis but not Frances.

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Norman Vincent STEWART b. 1897 Mosman d. 1974

ER Qld. & NSW & Vic. ? - parents Andrew & Honorah

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Thelma SKINNER b. 1906 d. 1996

married 1933

Stewart Robinson PARK b. 1906 Burwood d. 1954 Chatswood

ER 1930 Richmond 1936 Wentworth

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Sarah STUCKEY b. 1855 Camden d. 1937 Canterbury

ER 1936 Lang

married 1877 Camden

Stephen CLIFTON b. 1856 Cobbitty d. 1911 Canterbury

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

29th August 2009, 02:51

Hi Dave

1919 QLD Electoral Roll – Brisbane – Fortitude Valley
STEWART Norman Vincent, 61 Barker st, New Farm, clerk

1925 QLD Electoral Roll – Darling Downs - Warwick
STEWART Norman Vincent, Laughlan Hotel, solicitor

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Northbridge
STEWART Norman Vincent, 47 Woonoona road, solicitor

1936 QLD Electoral Roll – Herbert - Tully
STEWART Norman Vincent, Butler st, Tully, solicitor
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1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Richmond - Murwillumbah
PARK Stewart Robinson, E.S.A., Bank, Uki, bank clerk

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth – Bellevue Hill
PARK Stewart Robinson, 39 Bundarra road, Woollahra, bank clerk
PARK Thelma, 39 Bundarra road, Woollahra, home duties
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1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Lang – Earlwood
CLIFTON Harold, 29 Fore st, Earlwood, tram driver
CLIFTON Sarah, 29 Fore street, Canterbury, home duties
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crankypants

DaveHam9

29th August 2009, 03:29

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Christina Maud SILLS b. 1888 d. 1973

married 1909 Glen Innes

Reginald James R CLARKE b. 1881 W Wagga d. 1968 Parramatta

ER 1930 Lang 1936 Dalley

---------
Albert James STARKEY b. 1887 Canterbury d. 1936 Burwood

married 1910 Ashfield

Bertha Eliza CLIFTON b. 1888 St Leonards d. 1979

---------

Violet Mena SNEESBY b. 1899 Ballina d. 1964 Qld.

married 1924 Qld.

George Sjobert/Sjoberg Albert WRIEDE b. 1900 Qld. d. ?

ER Caprcornia

Name: C. J. S. Wriede ?
Position: 16
Discharged: Lad Porter
Month: General Traffic Manager's Branch
Year First Appointed: Northern Division, Cairns
Year: Queensland
Railway: 1916
Page: CVII
Comments: 1393

Name: G. S. A. Wriede
Position: 17
Discharged: Lad Porter
Month: Traffic Branch
Year First Appointed: Northern Division, Cairns
Year: Queensland
Railway: 1917
Page: CIX
Comments: 1411

Name: G. S. Wriede
Position: 24
Discharged: Night Officer
Month: Traffic Branch
Year First Appointed: Central Division
Year: Queensland
Railway: 1924
Page: CXXIII
Comments: 2310

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

29th August 2009, 04:28

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Lang - Newington
CLARKE Maud Christina, 20 Denning street, home duties
CLARKE Reginald James, 20 Denning street, painter

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Dalley - Newington
CLARKE Maud Christina, 20 Denning street, home duties
CLARKE Reginald George, 20 Denning street, signwriter
CLARKE Reginald James, 20 Denning street, painter
--------------------------------------------------
1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parkes - Enfield
STARKEY Albert, Portland street, Enfield, driver
STARKEY Bertha, Portland street, Enfield, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parkes - Enfield
STARKEY Albert, Portland street, Enfield, driver
STARKEY Bertha, Portland street, Enfield, home duties
-------------------------------------------------
1925 QLD Electoral Roll – Capricornia - Gladstone
WRIEDE George Sjoberg Albert, Miriam Vale, railway employee
WRIEDE Violet Mena, Miriam Vale, home duties

1930 QLD Electoral Roll – Capricornia - Gladstone
WRIEDE George Sjoberg Albert, Miriam Vale, railway employee
WRIEDE Violet Mena, Miriam Vale, home duties

1936 QLD Electoral Roll – Capricornia - Gladstone
WRIEDE George Sjoberg Albert, Miriam Vale, railway employee
WRIEDE Violet Mena, Miriam Vale, home duties

1949 QLD E/R
Name: George Sjoberg Albert Wriede
Title:
Place of Living: Miriam Vale
Occupation: railway employee
Gender: M
Division: Capricornia
Sub Division: Gladstone
Number: 5421

1949 QLD E/R
Name: Violet Mena Wriede
Title:
Place of Living: Miriam Vale
Occupation: home duties
Gender: F
Division: Capricornia
Sub Division: Gladstone
Number: 5422

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

29th August 2009, 04:34

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Linda Gladys SHAW b.? d. aft 1940

married 1927 Sydney

Aubrey Rixon GRIBBLE b. 1906 d. 1995

ER N Sydney

---------
Arthur John SCOTT b. 1852 d. 1922 Sydney

married 1885 Balmain

Jessie FAIRWEATHER b. 1857 d. 1918 Sydney

--------
Mary Elizabeth STOKES b. 1862 Camden d. 1928 Crookwell

married 1897 Bowral

William BENSLEY b. 1849 Sydney d. 1927 Crookwell

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

31st August 2009, 02:22

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney – Lane Cove
GRIBBLE Aubrey Rixon, 25 William Edward street, draftsman
GRIBBLE Linda Gladys, 25 William Edward street, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney – Lane Cove
GRIBBLE Aubrey Rixon, 25 William Edward street, draftsman
GRIBBLE Linda Gladys, 25 William Edward street, home duties
--------------------------------------------------------
1887 N.S.W Sands Directory
SCOTT Arthur J., lithographic artist, “Rosbyn” Pearson St, Balmain

1893 N.S.W Sands Directory
SCOTT Arthur J., Eurella st, Burwood

1903-1908 N.S.W Sands Directory
SCOTT Arthur J., (S. T. Leigh & Co.)
printers, manufacturing stationers
and cardboard box manufacturers
155 Clarence st., p.r. Eurella st, Burwood

1909-1911 N.S.W Sands Directory
SCOTT Arthur J., (S. T. Leigh & Co.)
printers, manufacturing stationers
and cardboard box manufacturers, Goulburn
p.r. “Allowah” Cecil st, Gordon
-------------------------------------------------------
1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa – Crookwell
BENSLEY Mary Elizabeth, Westwood, Crookwell, domestic duties
BENSLEY William, Westwood, Crookwell, farmer

1919-1926 N.S.W Sands Directory
BENSLEY William, farmer, Crookwell
-------------------------------------------------------

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

31st August 2009, 02:30

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Mary SIGGS b. 1875 Goulburn d. 1956 Hillston

married 1921 Sydney

William John STORRIER b. 1864 Goulburn d. 1945 Balmain

ER Darling

----------
James Sydney SPARK b. 1875 Paddington d. 1916 Sydney

married 1895 Sydney

Elizabeth Warren POWELL b. 1876 Glebe d. 1947 Chatswood

Children:

Clarence Lyon Sydney b. 1895 Paddington

Phyllis V b. 1899 Paddington

Keith L b. 1906 Mosman
---------

Lorna STREET b. 1898 d. 1988 Dee Why

married 1926 Ryde

William Keith DIXON b. 1899 Drummoyne d. 1988

ER Cowper

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

2nd September 2009, 22:07

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Darling – Booligal
STORRIER Mary, Brayville, Hillston, home duties
STORRIER William John, Brayville, Hillston, grazier

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Darling – Booligal
STORRIER Mary, Brayville, Hillston, home duties
STORRIER William John, Brayville, Hillston, grazier
-------------------------------------------------
1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Chatswood
SPARK Elizabeth Warren, 196 Mowbray road, home duties

No Elizabeth Warren Spark in 1936. One Elizabeth Spark in North Sydney, Crow’s Nest with a Grace Spark & Mary Spark. (did she have more children after 1908).

No Phyllis V. Spark, did she marry before 1930.
No Keith Spark in any state.

1925 QLD Electoral Roll – Kennedy - Aramac
SPARK Clarence Lyon Sydney, Aramac Station, Aramac, bookkeeper

1930 QLD Electoral Roll – Kennedy - Aramac
SPARK Clarence Lyon Sydney, Aramac Station, Aramac, bookkeeper

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Gwdir - Moree
SPARK Clarence Lyon Sydney, Courallie Station, Moree, book-keeper
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cowper – Chatsworth Island
DIXON Lorna, Harwood Island, home duties
DIXON William Keith, Harwood Island, chemist

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cowper – Chatsworth Island
DIXON Lorna, Harwood Island, home duties
DIXON William Keith, Harwood Island, chemist
--------------------------------------------------------

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

2nd September 2009, 22:56

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm not sure about the Crows Nest one. I'm not sure if that would be in Chatswood or North Sydney RD. Her death was registered in Chatswood so she may have continued to live in Mowbray Rd. I know of no other daughters or siblings-in-law. Her spouse James Sydney had two siblings, Henry who died in 1900 and Lilian who died in 1919.

Any sign of James Sydney in Sands Directory? I can't find a marriage or a death for Phyllis or Keith. A Phyllis with no middle name in Dalley in 1930 and West Sydney in 1936.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

2nd September 2009, 22:57

Hello crankypants,

Aston Proctor STREET b. 1894 Bega d. 1981

ER Hume

married 1922 Cooma

Amy Mary SANDS b. 1898 Cooma d. 1977 Armidale
--------

Edgar Horatio M STEPHEN b. 1878 Sydney d. 1954 Petersham

ER 1930 Wentworth 1936 East Sydney

married 1918

Muriel Clarissa WHITEMAN b. 1885 Camden d. 1960 Sydney
---------

William SEXTON b. ? d. ?

married 1870 Qld.

Frances SLAUGHTER b. 1846 d. 1875 Brisbane

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

3rd September 2009, 00:27

Hi Dave

Only one listing for James S SPARK in 1904 N.S.W Sands Directory living at Stafford st, Paddington.
Lots of James L SPARK in Paddington & Mosman. 'mmmmmmmmmm'

Yes I already looked at that Phyllis SPARK and ruled her out, not sure why.
Now I know because this Phyllis SPARK is listed with Jonathon SPARK at 37 Glassop street. He is a miner.
-----------------------------------------------------------
1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Hume – Cootamundra
STREET Amy Mary, Aust. Bank of Commerce Ltd., Coota, home duties
STREET Aston Proctor, Aust. Bk. of Com. Ltd., Coota, bank manager

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Hume – Holbrook
STREET Amy Mary, Bank N.S.W., Holbrook, home duties
STREET Aston Proctor, Bank N.S.W., Holbrook, bank manager
------------------------------------------------------------
1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth - Woollahra
STEPHEN Clarisa Muriel, 131 Queen street, home duties
STEPHEN Edgar Horatio Milner, 131 Queen street, medical practitioner

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth - Woollahra
STEPHEN Clarisa Muriel, 131 Queen street, home duties
STEPHEN Edgar Horatio Milner, 131 Queen street, medical practitioner
----------------------------------------------------------
Nothing yet on William SEXTON. Shame his death is not on the newspaper site. I did a search though on the address mentioned in 1873 and nothing.
Checking out his son Madford to see if he links back to William somewhere.
Madford was in Brisbane 1891-1895 a Public Servant.

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

3rd September 2009, 01:00

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

James L is James Sydney's father. Ok, so no trace of Keith or Phyllis in NSW.

-------
Edgar was a major in the army and they married in London.

Clarissa Muriel Whiteman
Rank: Staff Nurse
Roll title: 1 Australian General Hospital - 1 to 6 and Special Reinforcements (February 1915 - April 1916)
Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918
Date of embarkation: 15 May 1915
Place of embarkation: Sydney
Ship embarked on: RMS Mooltan

-------
The birth reg says Mayford William. He is in ER Herbert and then 1936 in Kennedy.

Addition:
Index to Justices of the Peace 1891-1900
SEXTON Mayford William 22 Jul 1899 180 882150 A/4857 Z7509
SEXTON Mayford William 27 Jun 1899 180 882150 A/4857 Z7509
SEXTON Mayford William 29 Jun 1899 180 882150 A/4857 Z7509

SEXTON Richard Ernest 21 Aug 1895 54* 882146 A/4853 Z7506

[Biographical cuttings on Richard Ernest Sexton, engineer]
Bib ID 2023563
Format Book
Subjects Sexton, Richard Ernest. 1861-1930.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld.) - Friday 13 October 1933
IN MEMORIAM
SEXTON -In ever loving memory
Richard Ernest Sexton, who fell asleep 13th October 1930

I don't know yet how he fits in. He may be William's brother.

1861/BA505 Sexton Richard Ernest - Richard & Sarah Mary Ann Carter

1868/C270 Sexton William Charles Richard Sarah Mary Ann Carter
1872/B14154 Sexton William Charles Richard Sarah Mary Ann Carter

No parents listed on William SEXTON's death reg.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

4th September 2009, 23:17

DaveHam9

4th September 2009, 23:46

crankypants

5th September 2009, 00:04

Hello crankypants,

The last "S" family for now.

William Henry SIMPSON b. 1817 Ireland d. 1922 Waverley

married 1856 Camden

Ann Taylor WALKER b. ? d. 1895 Sydney

Children:

William W b. 1858 Camden d. 1932 St Peters

Evangeline b. 1860 Camden d. 1942 Chatswood

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

Hi Dave

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth - Bronte
SIMPSON Annie Taylor, 100 Leichhardt-street, domestic duties
SIMPSON William Henry, Leichhardt-street, merchant
SIMPSON William Walker, Leichardt-street, merchant

N.S.W Justices of the Peace 1914
SIMPSON William Henry, Abbotsford, Leichhardt-street, Waverley
Date of Appointment 2nd Aug 1883

1891-1922 N.S.W Sands Directory
SIMPSON W. H., J.P., “Abbotsford” 100 Leichhardt st, Waverley

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Roseville
LINSLEY Evangeline, Stratford, 37 Lord street, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Roseville
LINSLEY Evangeline, 37 Lord street, home duties

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney - Roseville
SIMPSON William Walker, Stratford, 37 Lord street, accountant

(note Annie Taylor listed in 1903)eek)

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 00:14

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

A sibling:

Alexander A SIMPSON b. 1816 Ireland d. 1903 Casino

married 1840 Sydney

Rebecca Jane McCAMMON b. 1821 Ireland d. 1912 Casino

son:

Louis H b. 1845 d. 1930 Parramatta

---------
Another sibling:

Ebenezer b. abt 1831 Ireland d. 1890 Braidwood

married 1853 Ashfield

Janet BUCHAN b. ? d. ?

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

5th September 2009, 01:48

Hi Dave

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Richmond - Casino
SIMPSON Alexander, Casino, gentleman
SIMPSON Rebecca, Casino, domestic duties

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Wilberforce
SIMPSON Louis Alexander John, Wilberforce, farmer (not sure if a son)
SIMPSON Louis Henry, Wilberforce, storekeeper
SIMPSON Murial McAmmon, Wilberforce, domestic duties
SIMPSON Priscilla Ann, Wilberforce, domestic duties

1904-1907 N.S.W Sands Directory
SIMPSON L. H, General Store, Wilberforce

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Castle Hill
SIMPSON Louis Henry, Strathroy, North Rocks, no occupation

1870-71 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Camden
SIMPSON Ebenezer, Argyle street, Town of Camden, freehold
(is he senior or junior)
no luck finding him after 1871.

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 02:07

crankypants

5th September 2009, 02:16

Hello crankypants,

eek)

More than one William SEXTON

Births
1868/C270 Sexton William Charles Richard Sarah Mary Ann Carter
1872/B14154 Sexton William Charles Richard Sarah Mary Ann Carter

Deaths:
1917/B24757 Sexton William William Mary

1921/C540 Sexton William Charles Richard Sexton Sarah Maryann Carter
1868/C155 Sexton William Charles Richard Sexton Sarah Mary Ann Carter
1918/C2377 Sexton William Richard Sexton Elizabeth Brown

Now, what information did I have that made me choose this one as the correct death?

1892/C3516 Sexton William - -

:D

It looks like William remarried after Fanny died in 1875:

1876/B5446 Sexton William Brigg Florence Susannah

Dave

Hi Dave

1903 QLD Electoral Roll – Darling Downs – Toowoomba
SEXTON Amy, Margaret street, school teacher
SEXTON Edward, Margaret street, carpenter
SEXTON Florence, Margaret street, domestic duties
SEXTON William, Margaret street, postmaster

1905 QLD Electoral Roll – Darling Downs - Toowoomba
SEXTON Edward, Margaret street, carpenter
SEXTON Florence, Margaret street, domestic duties
SEXTON William, Margaret street, postmaster

1913 QLD Electoral Roll – Maranoa – Inglewood
SEXTON Edward Valentine, Inglewood, builder
SEXTON Elizabeth, Inglewood, home duties
SEXTON Florence Susannah, Inglewood, home duties
SEXTON William, Inglewood –

William is not in 1922 E/R
Two deaths before 1922

1922 QLD E/R
Name:Florence Sussanah Sexton
Title:
Place of Living: Clifford st.
Occupation: home duties
Gender: F
Division: Darling Downs
Sub Division: Toowoomba
Number: 5320

What do you think, are we on the right track?

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 02:50

crankypants

5th September 2009, 02:55

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Ebenezer Snr died in 1855. Louis & Priscilla had 9 children it seems but not one they names Louis Alexander John.

Well now :D I sit corrected

Death
3712/1957 SIMPSON LOUIS ALEXANDER JOHN LOUIS PRISCILLA ANN PARRAMATTA

so, where was he born?

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

Couln't find birth either.

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Castle Hill
SIMPSON Louis Alexander John, North Rocks, N. P’matta, orchardist
SIMPSON Martha Maud, North Rocks, North Parramatta, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Epping
SIMPSON Louis Alexander John, North Rocks rd, North Rocks, orchdist
SIMPSON Martha Maud, North Rocks road, North Rocks, home duties

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 03:39

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I think it's time to move on to another letter.

Have you heard of he Abbott Index for BDM in South Australia? I have some events in Adelaide from 1840-1850 that can't be found in that index or in the fiche. Are there events listed in parish records that have not found their way to Abbotts or the fiche?

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

5th September 2009, 03:42

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

I'm not sure. I can't find any note explaining why I chose that death reg for William.

marriage
1876/B5446 Sexton William Brigg Florence Susannah
1891/C1581 Sexton William Charles Craig Lydia Isabel

So, we can rule out William Charles.

If we assume I have the wrong death reg then William remarried and in the ER we have Amy a daughter from his first marriage, Edward a son from his 2nd and his 2nd spouse Florence.

I'd say that's too much of a coincidence of names.

I'd say this is the correct one:

1918/C2377 Sexton William Richard Sexton Elizabeth Brown

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

Thought this might be of interest.

There is an article in Aldine History Queensland for a Joseph Hughes and towards the end of his bio it reads.

In 1866 Mr. Hughes married the second daughter of the late Captain Richard Sexton, who arrived a pioneer of the colony in the “Fortitude” and has three sons and six daughters.

QLD DEATH
1917/C387 Hughes Emma Richard Sexton Elizabeth Brown

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 03:59

crankypants

5th September 2009, 04:30

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Very interesting:

SEXTON Charlotte 3 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Elizabeth 37 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Elizabeth 11 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Emma 7 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Richard 40 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Richard 13 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON Thomas 5 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354
SEXTON William 9 Fortitude 1849 Moreton Bay and family Fiche 2354

The family may be from Norfolk. There are possible births in Docking and Erpingham.

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

1841 U.K census
C.P: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County: Middlesex
R.D: Shoreditch

SEXTON Richd, 1811 age 30 Clerk not born in county
SEXTON Elizth, 1816 age 25 Scotland
SEXTON Richd, 1835 age 6 Ireland
SEXTON Elizth, 1837 age 4 Ireland
SEXTON William, 1839 age 2 not born in county
SEXTON Emma, 1841 age 4 mo Middlesex

The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland), Friday, August 1, 1834; Issue 10135.

MARRIED
At Belfast, on the 30th ult. by the Rev. James Morgan, Capt. Richard Sexton, London, to Eliza, daughter of Mr. William Brown, Hanoverquay, Belfast

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

5th September 2009, 04:40

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Great find! :D

Looking at that census listing it looks like a miniature version of my ancestry :rolleyes: it's just missing the 1/4 German.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

22nd September 2009, 22:38

Hello crankypants,

I'm hoping you can find this couple in the 1903 ER in Sydney area.

Henry HALLS and spouse Mary Ann.

Marriage
1997/1880 HALLS HENRY SILVER MARY ANN PADDINGTON

Probable death:

14031/1918 HALL MARY A JOSEPH SUSAN SYDNEY

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

23rd September 2009, 01:26

Hi Dave

Not having any luck. So far have searched these divisions.
Wentworth
South Sydney
East Sydney
West Sydney
Dalley

Anything remotely close was this one, really there is no way to prove it's them.
1903 Dalley - Leichhardt
HALL Henry John, 6 Seale-street, coach painter
HALL Mary Ann, 6 Seale-street, domestic duties

I was hoping any children born 1880-1890 could give some more detail if they had moved from the Sydney area, but that hasn't proven nothing.

Should we track Mary's other siblings to see if pattern of families in the same location??

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 01:45

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. The name may be HALL after all it's 50/50 since we have one reg with HALL and one with HALLS. No one has Henry's birth or death or parents. So it may be that one.

Siblings may or may not help.

Amelia b. 1851 d. 1920 Lithgow

married 1878 Sydney (MORRIS)

Joseph MORIS-FONTES b. 1843 Portugal d. 1913 Lithgow

11104/1913 MORRIS JOSEPH 75 YRS LITHGOW LITHGOW
11104/1913 FONTES JOSEPH 75 YRS LITHGOW LITHGOW

----------
Susan Agnes b. 1849 d. 1892 Sydney

married 1871 Sydney

Henry J SHEEHY b. 1847 d. 1912 Woollahra
-------

Josephine b. 1856 d. 1934 Auburn

# 5932/1934 MALAFANT JOSEPHINE 78 YRS STATE HOSP AUBURN

married 1884 Waterloo

3174/1884 MALENFAUT AUGUSTE M SILVA JOSEPHINE WATERLOO

Auguste/Augustus M MALEFANT ? b. ? d. ?

The U in MALENFAUT is probably a mistake for an N. That name can have 9 variations :D It's in my tree from a HAMILTON marriage.

MALLEFANT, MALLENPHANT, MELLIFANT, MELLEFANT, MELLIFONT, etc...

Death of a son
33661/1958 MALAFANT AUGUSTUS HENRY AUGUSTUS MARIE JOSEPHINE WOLLONGONG

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

23rd September 2009, 03:53

Hi Dave

Nothing found for Henry & Mary Ann HALL(S) in these divisions.

PARKES
PARRAMATTA
LANG

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 04:06

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. I can't find anything that will help clear up the HALL(S) question.

I'm having problems now with Susan DAVEY's father's death. One researcher has two dates for the marriage:

Parents marriage
23 Aug 1824 Lyncombe & Widcomb, Somerset
16 Aug 1824 Taunton, Somerset

William Thomas DAVEY & Elizabeth GARRETT.

Elizabeth died on 16 Jul 1878 Bombala and was buried on 19 Jul 1878 in Delegate.

4689/1878 DAVEY ELIZABETH SAMUEL DIED BOMBALA BOMBALA

The Monaro Pioneers site says William died 1897 (father = Richard - mother unknown) but I can't see a death that fits with DAVEY/ DAVY - William or Thomas.

Susan's brother John was born 1839 Bath, Somerset and the next one James was born in 1845 in NSW. I can't see the family in shipping records. A possible reason is that they went to NZ from England??

Immigration: 13/10/1841 ENG to NZ on the 'Birman' arriving NZ 1/3/1842 ?

That boat must had had oars :2fun: from the journey duration.

Addition:

Well now. They are on the passenger list for the 'Birman':

William Davey 37 Slater & Plasterer
Elizabeth 35 Wife
Eliza 12
Susan 10
Amelia 5
John 11m

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

23rd September 2009, 05:03

Hi Dave

Yes I couldn't find William's death either, unless it's this one and initial should be 'T'?
12045/1897 DAVEY WILLIAM J RICHARD ELIZABETH J HILLGROVE

Being submitted information you do have to question it's reliability.

An online tree has Susan DAVEY who married Joseph Silva, b.1832 Bath and died 17.11.1888 Sommerset, England.

Wonder if the 11 month did most of the rowing:biggrin: :biggrin:

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 05:23

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. I found that one too but do you know where Hillgrove is? With lots of the family on the south coast area near Bombala I doubt he died in the northern NSW near Armidale.

I know, I saw John listed as having been born in Victoria. Perhaps he was and registered in NSW??

I don't know where Susan's dob 28 May 1832 came from. It's not in FreeBMD or IGI and there are no OPC for any of the Bath parishes.

Please see if you can find Jane Sands SILVA burial record for 1955 in South Head Cemetery. Thanks. I have Joseph's and Susan's already.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 06:17

Hello crankypants,

I found some info:

"My father is John Malafant, he has a sister Noelene (among others) and his father was Augustus Henry Malafant, his mother Florence Evelyne Ellen Page and his Grandfather was Augustus Marie Malafant and he was born on 11 May 1843 in the south of France."

Deaths
33661/1958 MALAFANT AUGUSTUS HENRY AUGUSTUS MARIE JOSEPHINE WOLLONGONG

36355/1959 MALAFANT FLORENCE EVELYN E UNKNOWN FLORENCE KIAMA

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

23rd September 2009, 06:22

Hi Dave

Yes the geographics don't match however William did die some 19 years later so could have moved. Were his sons in the Armidale region?

Sorry Jane Sands SILVA is not buried at Waverly & South Head Cemetery.
Her parents Joseph & Susan are there, do you have those details.
Also checked for any HALL/HALLS and no luck.

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 06:44

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking. Amelia died at Alexandria, Emma and James died at Bombala, John at Bega, and Eliza at Craigie. Lots of them are buried at Delegate.

Yes thanks, I have the details of Joseph and Susan's burial at South Head Cemetery. Curious. The family tree I was given recently, hence the return to SILVA, says:

"Jane died on 23 Feb 1955 in 100 Spit Road, Mosman. She was buried on 25 Feb 1955 in South Head Cemetery."

Jane's spouse is there:

SOUTH HEAD CEMETERY
NAME: William J. Silva
AGE: 74
DEATH DATE: 16 December 1937
DENOMINATION: General
DETAILS: Section: G, Row: 5, Grave: 195
INSCRIPTION: Capt. Son of above.

Joseph John SILVA died 1939 Granville and spouse Catherine S died 1927 Auburn. No place of burial is listed for them.

Please see if they are at Rookwood - could be RC or otherwise depending.

Keepers who served at Macquarie Lighthouse
WATSON Robert HK 1818
WEALANDS Thomas SI 1826-1832
SIDDONS Capt. Richard SI 1832-1846
SIDDONS Joseph HK 1846-1897
PATTERSON Hugh Stirling EN 1883-1910
THOMAS William Henry EN 1883-1910
SILVA Frederick Emanuel AK 1888-1915
JOHNSON Robert Ferdinand AK 1892-1910
VANDERVORD James Henry HK 1898-1912
HUTCHINGS Henry AK 1911-1913
MCNALLY John HK 1913-1915
MILLER John William AK 1913-1915
CAMERON Jock AK 1929-1933
SI=Superintendent, HK=Headkeeper, AK=Assistant, EN=Engineer

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1849
Land is acquired for a Catholic church and construction begins, undertaken over several decades by members of the Portuguese fishing community.

1864
Mathew Silva, a Portuguese immigrant, is operating what is believed to be the first grocery store in Watsons Bay at his house at 1 Cove Street.

1870
The first Catholic Church in the district, hand-hewn from its site by a team headed by Joseph Silva, is sufficiently complete to be used for regular mass. The church is variously known as St James, St Francis and St Anthony’s. This church is now the church hall at Vaughan Village, Old South Head Road.

1881
The Portuguese-built St Anthony’s Catholic Church in Old South Head Road is officially dedicated.

1893
Parish of Our Lady Star of the Sea Watsons Bay
A parish mission conducted at Watson’s Bay was so overcrowded that discussions began about building a larger church; leading parish families such as the de Frazers, Whites, Dunns, Avelars, Attons, Silvas, Dawsons and others began a fund for a new church.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

23rd September 2009, 07:21

Hi Dave

ROOKWOOD CEMETERY
NAME: Catheriae
AGE: 64
DEATH DATE: 2 Feb 1927
DENOMINATION: Anglican
DETAILS: Section: 9, Row: 9, Grave: 430
INSCRIPTION: My wife & our mother

Age fits your Catherine, also note spelling. No sign of Joseph.

SOUTH HEAD CEMETERY
SILVA William J
SILVA Joseph
SILVA Susan
All in DETAILS: Section: G, Row: 5, Grave: 195

Jane must of been buried then with no grave inscription.

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 07:38

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Some reg appear as SILVER and SILVIA. Pity the details for Catherine didn't have her middle name. It's either SWAN or SANDS but seems no one knows which. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure about Jane. The new information may be wrong.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

23rd September 2009, 23:15

Hello crankypants,

The story about Jane being buried at South Head Cemetery comes from her death certificate according to the list of sources.

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Joseph John SILVA b. 1860 d. 1939 Granville

ER 1930 & 1936 Reid

married 1881 Sydney

Catherine S POWELL b. 1862 Glebe d. 1927 Auburn

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Children

Joseph George & Alma 1930 & 1936 Cook

Leslie Gladstone & Hilda 1930 & 1936 Reid

Alfred Leopold & Irene Isabel 1930 & 1936 Wentworth

Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

24th September 2009, 00:19

Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Reid – Bankstown North
SILVA John Joseph, Canberra, Little road, Bankstown, labourer
SILVA Hilda Mary, Little road, Bankstown, home duties
SILVA Leslie Gladstone, Little road, Bankstown, motor-driver

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Reid – Bankstown North
SILVA John Joseph, Canberra, Little road, Bankstown, labourer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Reid – Bankstown
SILVA Hilda Mary, 30 White avenue, Bankstown, home duties
SILVA Leslie Gladstone, 30 White avenue, Bankstown, motor-driver

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cook – Alexandria
SILVA Alma, 42 Lyne street, Alexandria, home duties
SILVA Joseph George, 42 Lyne street, no occupation

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Cook – Camdenville
SILVA Alma, 1 Dickson street, home duties
SILVA Joseph George, 1 Dickson street, no occupation

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth – Bondi North
SILVA Alfred Leopold, No. 2 Regent Flats, Matilda street, Bondi, clerk
SILVA Irene Isabel, No. 2 Regent Flats, Matilda street, Bondi, h.d

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Wentworth – Bondi North
SILVA Alfred Leopold, 14 Griffith avenue, Bondi, clerk
SILVA Irene Isabel, 14 Griffith avenue, Bondi, home duties

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 01:48

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm puzzled because the index says Joseph John but the details have John Joseph :confused:

Something is wrong here:

Birth Reg# 15195/1897 SILVIA NORMAN F WILLIAM J JANE S PADDINGTON

Death Reg# 16980/1963 SILVA NORMAN FONTES WILLIAM JOSEPH ELIZABETH JANE RYDE ?

NAA
Norman Fontes SILVA b. 1897 Paddington - Occupation Dentist
(next of kin uncle William James SILVA) of Parsley rd, Parsley Bay, via Watson's Bay.

If the dentist is the one who died in 1963 then he can't be the one born in 1897 because the parents don't match and the relationship would be father not uncle. :confused:

The middle name for the father in the birth reg is James not Joseph.

And, yes some SILVA do appear in BDM as SILVIA. :D William's birth and death reg have SILVA but marriage and birth reg of 5 children have SILVIA.

Another son William Archibald Gladstone is in 1930 but can't be found in 1936:

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parramatta – Hornsby
SILVIA Irene Catherine, Peat’s Ferry road, Brooklyn, home duties
SILVIA William Gladstone, Peat’s Ferry road, Brooklyn, mental attnd.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th September 2009, 03:19

Hi Dave

SORRY MISTAKE or is it MISTAKE SORRY. HAVING FINGER PROBLEMS or is it PROBLEM HAVING FINGERS.
Yes should be JOSEPH JOHN not JOHN JOSEPH.

These SILVA's are driving me nuts.:D

I'm thinking there is only one Norman Fontes SILVA and probably a mistake on the death certificate.
Most death certificates I have has the son-in-law as the informant and they tend to put down the wrong information. :confused:
So then if he died in 1963 why can't I find him in 1930 & 1936 E/R's.
Checked 1912 & 1920 REGISTER OF DENTISTS N.S.W Government Gazettes there are no SILVA’s. Actually he's a bit young to be a dentist.

Still no luck finding William Archibald Gladstone SILVA in 1936 E/R.:mad:

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 03:47

Hello crankypants,

Ah, thanks. I like to blame the new black keyboards. :D

I guess you are right about the death certificate. It gives his address as Parsley Rd so I guess that makes William & Jane his parents:

Jane Sands Silva, 4 Parsley road, Home duties
William James Silva, Parsley Bay road, Master mariner

Now, this one is not in my tree so he must be related to Matthew, also not in my tree.

Francis John Silva, 1 Cove street, WATSON'S BAY, Clerk

1864
Mathew Silva, a Portuguese immigrant, is operating what is believed to be the first grocery store in Watsons Bay at his house at 1 Cove Street.

There are two or three SILVA brothers and one sister also in Watsons Bay who are not in my tree (yet). I don't know how they are related to the Joseph who married Susan DAVEY. Joseph died in 1891 and Emanuel the probable father of the 3 sons and one daughter died in 1902:

16223/1902 SILVA EMANUEL VAUCLUSE

There is nothing on this death certificate to indicate any connection to Joseph.

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John Ephraim's spouse

Birth Reg# 2891/1869 ROLSTON EMILY L G JAMES MARY A BALMAIN ?

Death Reg# 22738/1956 SILVA EMILY LOUISA JOSEPH EMILY RYDE [parents ?]

It looks like an error on the death certificate again. The name and date and place fit as does the marriage of those listed in the birth reg. I have them in 1930 and 1936 in Gladesville.

Mariage
858/1862 ROLSTON JAMES SPALDING MARY ANN SYDNEY

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 04:03

Hello crankypants,

This one is a puzzle:

Roll of Honour
Vincent Albert SILVA
Rank Private [Pte]
Service Number 2213
Unit 14th Bn
Service Army
Conflict 1914-1918
Date of Death 8 August 1915
Cause of Death Killed in action
Cemetery or Memorial Details 6. Lone Pine Memorial, Gallipoli
Native place Adelaide Lead VIC
War Grave Register Notes SILVA, Pte. Vincent Albert, 2213. 14th Bn. Killed in action 8th Aug., 1915. Age 21. Son of Joseph and Catherine Silva. Native of Adelaide Lead, Victoria. 42.
Source AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army

I don't know if it is coincidence his parents are Joseph & Catherine or not.

The Joseph and Catherine in my tree have Leslie born 22 May 1892 and then Alfred 11 Oct 1901. There certainly is a gap for one to have been born in 1894. Leslie enlisted in WWI and Alfred in WWII so it would fit but Victoria is a bit of a mystery. I can't see a birth in NSW BDM so please see if you can find Vincent's birth about 1894 in Victoria.

Admission of failure to look at all sources:

I've just checked his service record on NAA and Vincent's parents died when he was about two. !!!!

Thanks.

Dave

crankypants

24th September 2009, 04:26

Hi Dave

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=274623

Vincent Albert SILVA

Regimental number 2213
Place of birth Adelaide Head, South Australia
School Goldsborough State School, Victoria
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Labourer
Address Goldsborough, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 21
Next of kin Brother, John Silva, Goldsborough, Victoria
Previous military service Nil.
Enlistment date 3 March 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 14th Battalion, 6th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/31/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A62 Wandilla on 17 June 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 14th Battalion
Fate Killed in Action 8 August 1915
Place of death or wounding Lone Pine, Gallipoli
Age at death 21
Age at death from cemetery records 21
Place of burial No known grave
Commemoration details The Lone Pine Memorial (Panel 42), Gallipoli, Turkey
The Lone Pine Memorial, situated in the Lone Pine Cemetery at Anzac, is the main Australian Memorial on Gallipoli, and one of four memorials to men of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force. Designed by Sir John Burnet, the principal architect of the Gallipoli cemeteries, it is a thick tapering pylon 14.3 metres high on a square base 12.98 metres wide. It is constructed from limestone mined at Ilgardere in Turkey.

The Memorial commemorates the 3268 Australians and 456 New Zealanders who have no known grave and the 960 Australians and 252 New Zealanders who were buried at sea after evacuation through wounds or disease. The names of New Zealanders commemorated are inscribed on stone panels mounted on the south and north sides of the pylon, while those of the Australians are listed on a long wall of panels in front of the pylon and to either side. Names are arranged by unit and rank.

The Memorial stands over the centre of the Turkish trenches and tunnels which were the scene of heavy fighting during the August offensive. Most cemeteries on Gallipoli contain relatively few marked graves, and the majority of Australians killed on Gallipoli are commemorated here.

Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 74
Miscellaneous information from
cemetery records Parents: Joseph and Catherine SILVA. Native of Adelaide Lead, Victoria
Other details War service: Egypt, Gallipoli

Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 04:31

Hello crankypants,

My apologies. I was thinking of looking for his birth outside of NSW expecting to fill the gap in the births instead of checking his service record on NAA site. redf)

I've done that now and Vincent's parents according to a letter written by his brother John died when Vincent was two. eek)

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 04:49

Hello crankypants,

Spouse of Leslie G, Hilda M BEDFORD b. 1895

17899/1895 BEDFORD HILDA M JOHN ALMA E WATERLOO

Marriage
1156/1892 BEDFORD JOHN FLEMING ALMA SYDNEY

Alma FLEMING

Birth Reg# 4763/1876 FLEMING ALMA JOHN MARY A PADDINGTON
Death Reg# 30287/1967 SILVA ALMA ADELAIDE JOHN - NEWTOWN

Marriage
6409/1909 SILVA JOSEPH G BEDFORD ALMA WATERLOO

Joseph G and Leslie G are brothers :D x :D

There is no sign of a birth for Alma BEDFORD that fits so it seems Alma married twice.

We are almost finished with the SILVA unless we can connect Matthew, Frederick, Julia and Emanuel who died in 1902 aged 102 :D

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 04:56

Hello crankypants,

I have the Sands Directory listings for SILVA from 1861 onwards but I'm wondering about year 1867 if they may be there listed as SILVER ??

There is (was) a Google Book with lots of info about Emanuel and his three sons and one daughter but I can't seem to find it now.

Regards,

Dave

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 05:09

Hello crankypants,

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889-1931) - Monday 20 October 1902
NEW SOUTH WALES - SYDNEY, October 19.
Mr. Emanuel Silva died at Watson's Bay yesterday at the age of 102. For over 70 years he had been a resident of New South Wales, and nearly the whole of that time he had served under the Government of the State.

Regards,

Dave

crankypants

24th September 2009, 05:55

Hi Dave

Yes I saw that, looks like the only article on the SILVA's so far. I dare say you will have to wait patiently for more articles to be released over the next few years.
Actually I'm getting frustrated with the NLA site, I've been waiting, seems more like months than weeks for them to release the articles in pink relating to the Walwa Hotel. :mad:

Only two SILVA's in 1867 N.S.W Sands Directory.
SILVA Manuel, 39 Gloucester st.
SILVA Matthias, grocer, Watson’s Bay

Included this one just in case.
SILVER Joseph, boatman, Watson’s Bay

cheers
crankypants

DaveHam9

24th September 2009, 06:10

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I can't find that Google Book I found previously. The link is dead and a search of the books does not find it. Maybe I didn't point out that the birth reg of the first 6 of Joseph & Susan's children have SILVER. That 'boatman' is Joseph Snr. I can't find anything to connect Emanuel d. 1902 and his descendants to those in my tree. They lived in the same area and had similar jobs, harbour pilot, lighthouse keeper, storekeeper, ... that's all I can say so far.

What family is next?

Regards,

Dave